Jodie Patterson is an anomaly. The mother of five has co-owned New York's iconic, Joe's Pub; served as PR director for fashion designer Zac Posen; founded her own PR agency, and has launched two beauty brands. Everything changed when Jodie's then, 3 year old expressed that he was not a girl, but rather a boy. This propelled Jodie on a journey of learning and unlearning much of which she chronicled in her memoir, "The Bold World". Jodie now has dedicated her work to advocacy and educating community on subversive parenting. Listen in as Jodie and I have a refreshingly honest conversation about moving without fear, navigating life after divorce, and our obsession with rap lyrics.