Kate and Doree are both in home organization mode. Doree reveals her birthday kitchen project, while Kate details her newly organized linen closet.

Then they talk to the amazing Nora McInerny, host of the Terrible, Thanks for Asking podcast, author of It’s Okay to Laugh: (Crying is Cool Too) and founder of Still Kickin', a non-profit that supports people going through awful things. Nora talks about dealing with tragedy, how to actually help people who are grieving, and the many joys of drugstore makeup. Follow her @Noraborealis on Twitter and Instagram.

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