Heart Wisdom with Jack Kornfield

Ep. 235 – From Psychedelics to Mindfulness with Louie Schwartzberg


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Fantastic Fungi's visionary director, Louie Schwartzberg, joins Jack to explore the profound connection between psychedelics and mindfulness. 

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“You can’t separate psychedelics from life.” – Jack Kornfield

In this fresh conversation, Jack and Louie spelunk the depths of:

  • The connection between psychedelics and spirituality
  • Psychedelics as a gateway to wonder, curiosity, and the sacred
  • How tripping on psychedelics informed Louie’s filmmaking
  • Albert Einstein and psychedelics as the intersection between art and science
  • The universe and life as a constant transformation of light energy
  • Buddha’s “Flower Sermon” and Zen Master Suzuki Roshi’s “Beginner’s Mind”
  • Jack “exchanging maps” with famous LSD researcher, Stanislav Grof
  • Studies showing the combination of psilocybin mushrooms and Louie’s time-lapse nature imagery as a powerful therapeutic tool for helping addiction and PTSD
  • The importance of “set and setting,” community, and integration
  • How psychedelics actually fit into the Buddhist precepts
  • Honoring biology and the feminine aspects of nature
  • The gifts of sacred attention and loving awareness
  • Finding beauty wherever you are, and how Louie’s films heal by sharing patterns of nature for the soul to connect with


This conversation was originally recorded on 3/29/24 by Banyan Together – an online mindfulness community started by Jack Kornfield and Tara Brach. To join the community and learn more, visit BanyanTogether.com

“A lot of the work I do is to make the invisible visible. And that’s the perfect description of what a psychedelic journey is like, making the invisible visible.” – Louie Schwartzberg

“We live in a culture that’s almost defined by the absence of the sacred. And so we feel this yearning, this intuitive wish to connect—whether it’s going high in the mountains, or making love, or taking psychedelics, or meditating.” – Jack Kornfield

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