Brenna Keller, a top PSIA ski instructor and guide, dives into the interplay between fear and excitement, highlighting how mindset can help achieve a flow state. .She explains how fear, when managed properly, can enhance performance. The conversation also examines the discomfort zone beyond skiing, particularly in communication and relationships, where the courage to speak up can be challenging but crucial. Brenna and Anna talk about the potential dangers of constantly seeking adrenaline in both ski culture and whitewater culture, their shared experience of feeling most comfortable in leadership roles, and the importance of separating self-worth from performance. They reflect on how their passions for skiing and kayaking have evolved with age, touch on the fear of disappointing others and the necessity of letting go of the need to always do the right thing.