NB: Ron Padgett is, of course, a member of the New York School, not the New School as I for some reason say early in my conversation with Alice.

Some of the topics mentioned in this episode:

– Alice Allan’s podcast Poetry Says, her book The Empty Room, and her chapbook Blanks

– The 2016 Jim Jarmusch poetry movie Paterson

– Method Man and/or Paul Laurence Dunbar

– The goodness of Adam Driver and William Jackson Harper

– Donald Hall’s poem “Without”

– Jane Kenyon’s poems “Happiness” and “Having It Out With Melancholy”

– Mary Oliver

– Pam Brown

– David Brooks (not that David Brooks)

– Commonplace with Rachel Zucker

– The Poetry Gods with Aziza Barnes, José Olivarez, and Jon Sands

– What it actually feels like to publish a first book of poems

– Alice’s podcasting wisdom

– Dorothy Porter’s poem “Lucky”

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