This week Kate discusses her years-long love of Phish, while Doree digs deep into Poldark and starts a new gym routine. They also reveal their favorite skincare and makeup products of the moment, including a facial sponge that's changing Kate's life and Doree's new brow pencil obsession. 

Then they chat with Samantha Irby, NY Times bestselling author of We Are Never Meeting In Real Life and Meaty, and creator of the blog Bitches Gotta Eat. Samantha talks about her unlikely road to becoming a writer, dealing with anxiety in a thriving career, her favorite cream blush, and how she can't stop buying candles. Follow Samantha: @wordscience on Twitter and @bitchesgottaeat on Instagram.

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