On today's Gritty Podcast @brian_call talks with Zion Pilgrim (@zionhuntnz) of Wilderness Quest New Zealand (@wildernessquestnz)

Subjects Discussed: The New Zealand conservation model; How did it come to be and what direction is it going in? Zion gives us an update on the Tahr cull in New Zealand; can invasive species have in a place in a conservation model?

Watch at www.briancall.com or listen at the link in bio or wherever you get your podcasts. #staygritty #grittypodcast