Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Ep 45: Love, Trust, and the Lifestyle: How Swinging Can Make or Break Your Relationship


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This week, the Two Plus Two Crew gets real about one of the lifestyle’s biggest questions — can swinging actually make your relationship stronger?

Zack and Josie open up about what it was like being in the lifestyle during their previous marriages — how they got into it, where things went wrong, and what they’ve learned since. They share how, through their evolution in the lifestyle together, their marriage has grown through honesty, vulnerability, and countless deep conversations about what truly matters.

Brad and Brittany bring their own experiences to the table, sharing insecurities and insights that couples everywhere can relate to. Together, the crew explores how men and women often see the lifestyle through different lenses — and how those differences can either pull you apart or bring you closer.

From trust and transparency to authenticity and acceptance, they reveal how the lifestyle can strengthen your bond — if you’re willing to put in the work (and maybe bare a little more than just your bodies).

Because when you can show up fully as yourself — love yourself — and be loved for it, that’s when your relationship truly comes alive.


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(00:00:00) Lifestyle 1.0 didn’t go so well

(00:03:08) Josie was pressured into getting into the lifestyle

(00:05:33) Zack and his wife at the time were both in agreement to try it

(00:09:39) Brad’s first brush with the lifestyle

(00:11:02) We found other swingers on Craigslist

(00:12:41) We weren’t in supportive marriages

(00:14:26) The intimacy wasn’t like it is for us now

(00:15:48) I feel more drawn to Josie than I am to you

(00:18:23) Keeping things from going down a wrong path

(00:20:14) We feared the lifestyle for a long time

(00:22:32) Lifestyle 2.0 is much better

(00:25:50) We know what it feels like to catch feelings

(00:27:41) Trust and open communication helps your relationship grow

(00:28:27) Friends with benefits vs one and done

(00:30:14) Strong couples make playing more comfortable for the girls

(00:33:56) How the lifestyle benefits your relationship

(00:36:04) Men’s brains and women’s brains are very different

(00:40:50) Revealing all of yourself to your partner

(00:42:57) Lifestyle related arguments help you dig deep

(00:45:11) Your partner helps give you confidence to be yourself

(00:47:17) Supporting your partner

(00:49:18) Trust is small promises kept repeatedly over time

(00:54:02) We’re able to work through things faster now

(00:55:39) If you think you can or you think you can’t, you’re right


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