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Expanding the Fantasy: Inside Secrets 2 with James Callahan | Episode 257

In this episode of The Swing Nation Podcast, Dan and Lacy sit down with James Callahan, the founder and owner of Secrets Hideaway Resort, to hear the inspiring story behind one of the lifestyle’s most well-known destinations.

James takes listeners back to the humble beginnings of Secrets and shares what it took to turn an ambitious dream into a thriving resort. From navigating setbacks and adversity to staying committed when the future was uncertain, he opens up about the determination, risk and vision that helped Secrets become what it is today.

But James isn’t finished dreaming. He gives Dan and Lacy an inside look at Secrets 2, a brand-new resort currently being developed on the same property. He shares his vision for the expansion, what guests and owners can expect and how Secrets 2 will take the experience to an entirely new level.

Plus, James is offering an exclusive opportunity for Swing Nation listeners interested in purchasing a condo at the new Secrets 2 resort. Tune in to hear the full story, learn more about the future of Secrets and find out how you can take advantage of this special TSN listener offer.

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Tuesday Talks: Can We Be Honest without Hurting the Lifestyle? | Episode 120

In this episode of Tuesday Talks, Dan and Lacy hear from another couple in the podcasting world who asks an important question: Do they ever feel pressure to hold back the negative or complicated parts of the lifestyle?

When you are working to challenge the stigma surrounding consensual non-monogamy, it can sometimes feel like every story has to portray the lifestyle in a positive light. But does being an advocate mean avoiding honest conversations about bad experiences, mistakes, uncomfortable moments, or the very real challenges that can come with this journey?

Dan and Lacy share an honest look at how they balance advocacy with authenticity, why acknowledging the difficult parts does not mean condemning the lifestyle, and how they decide which personal stories they are comfortable sharing publicly. They also discuss the responsibility that comes with having a platform—and why honest, nuanced conversations may be one of the most powerful ways to fight stigma.

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 Our First Full Swap | Episode 256

In this episode of The Swing Nation Podcast, Dan and Lacy take listeners back to the very beginning of their story and share how they first met—not through a dating app, mutual friends, or a traditional first date, but as two singles already exploring the lifestyle.

Unlike many couples who discover non-monogamy years into their relationship, Dan and Lacy entered their relationship with an understanding of the lifestyle from day one. But that didn’t mean everything was easy. They open up about the unique challenges they faced while building a new relationship in a world filled with attraction, boundaries, jealousy, communication, and plenty of unexpected situations.

They also tell the story of their very first full-swap experience together, including what went wrong, what surprised them, and the important lessons they carried forward. From learning how to communicate honestly to understanding that every experience will not go perfectly, Dan and Lacy share how those early moments helped shape the couple—and the lifestyle partners—they are today.

Whether you entered the lifestyle together, met while already in it, or are simply curious about how it all began for Dan and Lacy, this episode offers an honest, funny, and revealing look at their journey from lifestyle singles to The Swing Nation.

Tune in now to hear the story of how it all started!

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Tuesday Talks: Finding Your Lifestyle Vibe | Episode 119

Not every lifestyle couple enjoys packed venues, booming music, and crowded dance floors—and that’s perfectly okay! In this episode of Tuesday Talks, a listener shares that he and his wife are struggling to find lifestyle events that match their more relaxed personality. They want to connect with others and enjoy new experiences, but the traditional party atmosphere just isn’t their vibe. Dan and Lacy offer practical suggestions, including exploring smaller gatherings, traveling to different lifestyle destinations, and connecting with like-minded couples nearby to find out where they socialize. Tune in for helpful advice on finding your place in the lifestyle without forcing yourself into environments you don’t enjoy.

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Naughty N'awlins Part 2: Parades, Parties & Pure Chaos | Episode 255

Naughty N’awlins Part 2 is here—and Dan and Lacy are wrapping up their unforgettable trip to New Orleans with even more wild stories, meaningful moments, and nonstop partying.

They begin with the Sexual Freedom Parade, sharing why the experience is about so much more than costumes and celebration. Surrounded by a community proudly embracing freedom, acceptance, and authenticity, the parade becomes one of the most emotional and moving moments of the entire event.

From there, the energy turns up at the Glow Night Party, where Dan and Lacy connect and play with some new couples before preparing to host their own party the following day at The Boot Scoot’n Rodeo. Between mechanical bull rides, line dancing, great music, and a packed crowd, their party brings a little country chaos to Naughty N’awlins.

But the night is only getting started. Immediately after, they head to the Secrets Party, where things get even crazier with shots galore, wet T-shirt contests, crowd surfing, and plenty of unforgettable moments. Finally, everyone gets dressed up for the Mardi Gras Ball before Dan and the other DJs officially shut down Naughty N’awlins with an epic after-party lasting from 2:00 to 4:30 in the morning.

Pour yourself a drink and join Dan and Lacy as they recap the final days of Naughty N’awlins—filled with connection, community, new experiences, and just the right amount of debauchery.

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Tuesday Talks: How to Know if They Want You | Episode 118

How do you know when another couple is actually interested—or if they’re just being friendly? In this episode of Tuesday Talks, a listener asks Dan and Lacy how to recognize the signs that another couple may want to take things beyond casual conversation.

Dan and Lacy share practical advice for reading the room, noticing mutual effort, and recognizing when flirting and connection seem to be reciprocated. They also explain why it can be difficult to tell in the lifestyle, where people are often naturally friendly and open.

Sometimes, the only way to get a clear answer is to take a chance, put yourself out there, and simply ask. Dan and Lacy discuss how to express interest respectfully and handle the answer gracefully—whether it’s an enthusiastic yes or a polite no.

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Naughty N'awlins Part 1: Drinking, Dancing and DJing | Episode 254

Dan and Lacy are back from Naughty N’awlins—and they have plenty of stories to tell! In Part 1 of their New Orleans recap, they take listeners along for the beginning of their wild weekend filled with old friends, unforgettable parties, plenty of drinks, and a little bit of trouble.

The trip kicks off with a visit to Colette’s New Orleans, where Dan and Lacy reconnect with friends they have missed and settle into the Naughty N’awlins energy. From there, they dive into the event’s daytime festivities, sharing what it was like to spend their afternoons drinking, dancing, socializing, and soaking up the party atmosphere.

Dan also steps behind the DJ booth for one of the nighttime parties and helps host one of the biggest events of the entire weekend—Kasidie’s legendary Foam Party at The Beach. Between the music, foam, drinks, and packed dance floor, the party definitely lives up to the hype.

Of course, it would not be a Naughty N’awlins recap without sharing a little of the naughty. Dan and Lacy open up about an encounter involving two other couples and how the experience unfolded.

This is only the beginning of their New Orleans adventure, so make sure you come back for Part 2 to hear about the rest of their trip, the moments they are still talking about, and even more Naughty N’awlins stories.

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Tuesday Talks: Cruise Together, Play Apart? | Episode 117

A newer lifestyle couple is preparing to set sail on a Bliss Cruise with another couple they have played with before—but so far, their experiences have only involved parallel play. Since the other couple is comfortable with full swap, the listeners are wondering whether everyone has the same expectations for the trip or if their friends may be hoping for something more.

Dan and Lacy explain why this is a conversation that needs to happen before anyone boards the ship. They also discuss the reality that most people do not spend the time and money to attend a lifestyle cruise with plans to only play with one couple. From setting clear boundaries to avoiding assumptions and leaving room for new experiences, they share their advice for navigating expectations, communication, and play on a Bliss Cruise.

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Hedo 101: Everything You Need to Know Before You Go | Episode 253

Thinking about a trip to Hedo but not sure what to expect? In this episode of The Swing Nation Podcast, Dan and Lacy are giving listeners the full Hedo 101. From the legendary pool parties and nightlife to the rooms, food, beach, and overall resort vibe, they break down what a first-time trip to Hedonism II in Jamaica can really look like.

They also share why getting off the resort for an excursion can be one of the best parts of your vacation, along with a few of their favorite experiences to add to your itinerary. Plus, for couples who are curious about Hedo but still private about being in the lifestyle, Dan and Lacy offer practical advice for keeping your trip discreet around family, friends, coworkers, and anyone else who does not need to know the details.

Whether Hedo has been on your bucket list for years or you are only beginning to wonder what all the hype is about, this episode is packed with honest insight, helpful tips, and everything you need to know before booking that Jamaican getaway.

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Tuesday Talks: When It's Time to Move On| Episode 116

In this week’s Tuesday Talks, Dan and Lacy respond to a listener question from a couple who thought they had found a great match for a full swap—until their first attempt took an uncomfortable turn. When the male half of the other couple was unable to perform, it led to an argument between him and his wife, leaving the listeners feeling like they had seen a major red flag and decided to step away.

Since then, they have considered giving the connection another chance, but the other couple has repeatedly become too intoxicated when they make plans. Now they are wondering: Is it time to cut their losses and move on?

Dan and Lacy share their honest perspective on recognizing compatibility issues, respecting your own boundaries, and knowing when a situation may bring more stress than fun. They also normalize something that happens more often than people talk about in the lifestyle: performance anxiety and difficulty performing in new, high-pressure situations. The key is not whether it happens—it is how everyone handles it.

Tune in for a thoughtful conversation about red flags, communication, alcohol, grace, and protecting the kind of experiences you want to have in the lifestyle.

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