Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Ep 51: Highs and Lows of Swinging: Comparisons, Expectations, and Evolution


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Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany are back together for a candid and relatable conversation about something nearly every lifestyle couple experiences: the natural ebb and flow of connection, opportunity, and energy in the lifestyle. Some seasons feel packed with parties, meetups, new couples, and constant social obligations. Other times, it seems no one is available, nothing’s happening, and you’re left wondering if the spark moved on without you. And if you’ve ever found yourself comparing your quiet moments to your friends’ busy ones, you’re definitely not alone.

They explore how their own journeys have evolved, and how personal circumstances can directly shape your lifestyle experiences. Zack and Josie share how they’re on a journey to rediscover their vibe, while Brad and Brittany talk about meeting new couples through mutual friends and finding fresh chemistry in unexpected places.

This episode is an invitation to reflect, laugh, relate, and maybe even rethink your own lifestyle rhythm. Whether you’re in a hot streak, a lull, or somewhere in between, you’ll find pieces of your journey in this conversation—and maybe a little inspiration for what comes next.


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(00:00:00) What qualifies as a lull

(00:05:20) Questioning ourselves when we don’t connect with anyone

(00:09:00) Consciously making the choice to relax and relieve the pressure

(00:14:11) Zack and Josie are reevaluating the lifestyle

(00:16:54) Brittany just wants to let go while Brad wants more sexual experiences

(00:19:44) The definition of the lull is the repeat pattern of situations that fall flat 

(00:21:25) Choosing the situations where you have the most ‘success’ and avoiding others

(00:23:56) Reflecting on what’s happened and what’s changed since our last ‘roll’

(00:26:32) Friends with benefits and familiarity

(00:31:04) The aha moment….balancing familiarity with newness

(00:32:43) Preferences evolve just like everything else in the lifestyle

(00:34:22) Comparing is human nature

(00:37:53) Comparing your real life to everyone else’s highlight reels

(00:40:16) Your life also impacts the lifestyle

(00:44:16) Is there a wrong way to ‘do’ the lifestyle

(00:46:09) What’s it all for and what’s next?

(00:47:54) We hit our ceiling but have enjoyed meeting friends of friends

(00:50:56) There are only two things we want in this lifestyle

(00:51:46) Pressure or lack of pressure during a roll vs a lull

(00:55:18) Balancing familiarity and newness

(00:56:35) Parting advice


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