Kate and Doree are joined by actor Mary Holland (Veep, Blunt Talk, Silicon Valley). Mary discusses how sleep is her own personal form of self-care; the satisfaction of a good, long, cry; and being mistaken for Bill Hader. Doree and Kate also go deep on the steps they take to wind down before bedtime. Plus they do another high/low product review, which includes one very expensive Tom Ford lipstick (and some not-so-expensive things too).

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