Today's episode is a unique episode because I'm on the other end of the interview for a change!

Steven White is a pastor in Iowa, a long time listener of this podcast, and a member of our Deep Talks Patreon Community. He recently reached out to me to see if we could record an interview together as part of his Master's thesis he is completing focusing on cultural theology & church leadership. I was glad to be of help in that way, so we jumped on for a Zoom call last week. I thought he asked some really great questions about:

-my own journey of faith and theological development

-what the "meaning-making" part of my podcast title means (which I don't know if I ever properly explained on the podcast before!)

- how values are connected to our cultural programming, genetic predispositions, and church environments & traditions

- and some other excellent follow-up questions to material covered in the Christ and Culture series, the Mind Software series, the Hyper-Objects episode, liturgical programming and more.

Steven had some really great insights of his own which really connected some dots together on how all of this stuff is related, so I asked him he wouldn't mind if I shared the recording of the conversation. I thought it might be a great way to recap so many of the things that have been discussed on this podcast throughout the course of 2020.

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