This week we're joined by an musician, humanitarian, and old friend of Sam's, Ben Sooy! Ben split his time between progressive churches and his fundamentalist school, while also grappling with some tough realities at home. He ended up attending Liberty University, intent on becoming a youth pastor. However, his ideas about God would undergo many changes that ultimately led him in a different direction. We had a great time talking with Ben, and we think you're going to enjoy this conversation, too. Check out his band, A Place for Owls, and follow them on Instagram and Twitter (@aplaceforowls)!

During the intro segment, we discuss passages from a wonderful book that is sure to be a blessing for you, "Hollywood Heroes: How Your Favorite Movies Reveal God" by Frank and Zach Turek! I saw the title, I read the overview, and I knew that I needed to read it. It's more or less a print version of that annoying thing your youth leaders would do, where they dissect the "Biblical themes" within an otherwise fun movie, and completely remove all of the escapism and enjoyment out of it. It's... a mess. Consider this a teaser for an upcoming full episode on this soul-sucking work of fundamentalist drivel!

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