This week Kate and Doree discuss the status of their skincare routines, the siren song of expensive products, and grappling with claustrophobic clutter. Plus: Kate falls through a trampoline in an exercise class and Doree’s got an ant infestation. Then they sit down with R.O. Kwon, author of The Incendiaries. She chats about sheet-masking whilst writing, the grief-filled experience of losing her faith, how she perfected her signature eyeliner look, and why it was important to her to come out publicly as bisexual.

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