Hello, dear friends, and welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! On the day after Jesus’ birthday, we talked to the amazing Jeff Mueller (of June of 44, Shipping News, and Rodan!) and discussed such topics as:

-When your kids see you play

-Relearning via Youtube

-Being a NYC band that draws in Italy

-Packaging as part of the overall art project

-Having and ditching nautical themes

-Meeting social media friends in the real world

-the disappearing DIY aesthetic

-How certain bands don’t get the success they should have

-“Five thirty in the morning happens a lot over there”

-The Shipping News and Jason

-a commonality of experience

-Principal riff writers

-Using the “In the Fishtank” approach on your own records

-Stencilling anything for the merch table

-Distributors hate weird packaging

-The still dire state of record pressing

-Investing the time in finding new music

-Crain

-Half-Cocked

-Cycles of rediscovery

Interview around 14 minutes in.