This episode of the ShiftShapers Podcast features host David Saltzman interviewing John Clay, president of Better Source Benefits, about unique health plan solutions for small and mid-sized groups. John shares his background in the insurance industry, highlighting the journey from working in materials control to discovering innovative health plan solutions. Despite challenges, such as a lack of options beyond traditional insurance providers, John discusses how attending conferences and learning from others in the industry transformed his approach to offering health plans. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the needs of smaller businesses and how custom, level-funded health plans can offer significant benefits. The conversation also delves into the future of health plans for small and mid-sized businesses and how creative solutions can positively impact employee health outcomes and financial security.