Hold onto your hats, it episode 6 of the PudCast coming at you strong.

This episodes guest is the one and only Shappi Khorsandi, a true trail blazer. Since coming to the UK as a child Shappi has carved her own path, faced and knocked down barriers, and contended with being a friend to Paul for over 20 years.

Hear how she came to England as a refugee due to a fatwa against her Dad, how she's raising her own children differently to her childhood, and why only for Paul, she'd ditch a friend's kid.

Want to hear Paul in conversation with someone particular? Head to @paulchowdhry on socials and as the PudCast is still a baby in PudCast terms then recommend the PudCast to everyone you meet in place of "hello, how are you?"