In this episode we speak to Dave the FOUNDER of Madlug, they provide bags for children in care to promote dignity and value for those children. Dave shares the origin story and the underlying values, ethos and vision as well as being a great guest and good sport. You can visit their website here

As well, Al is eternally shamed for his dark cynical heart and we are then drawn into a somewhat bizarre discussion in relation to children and spoons. 

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