Janet Varney and John Hodgman are ready to talk all about “The land of enchantment”: New Mexico! Or as the locals call it, “The land of entrapment.”

Even if you know nothing about New Mexico, the one thing you’ll immediately recognize is its absolutely gorgeous state flag. But did you know that prior to its current flag, it also had one of the worst flags we’ve seen yet?

That’s just one other story we’ll hear today, including some stunning hot air balloon commentary, some scary insect stories, and so much more.

And hey, have you purchased some of the books that Philip Varney has written about ghost towns yet?

Episode cover art provided by:

Thien An-Vu

Laura Swisher

Marissa Flaxbart

Produced by Julian Burrell.

Senior Producer at MaxFun is Laura Swisher.

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