Episode 181 of The Adventure Podcast features one of the most accomplished rock climbers in the world, Hazel Findlay. Hazel featured on the podcast before, back when it first started for episode 19, and is good pals with Matt. A lot has changed for Hazel since then. She bought a house, got married and is now expecting a baby. In this episode, Hazel talks to Matt about giving up the dirtbag life, or more so about how she actually hasn’t given it up entirely. They talk about realities of life on the road as a pro athlete, as well as exploring the idea of settling down and becoming 'grown ups'. Hazel is a leading coach, with a real focus on the mind rather than the body, and they get quite deep into the psychology of things - intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation, bravery, real vs perceived risk, and flow state. It's a fascinating conversation which will no doubt make you question the way your brain works.

Photographer: Jonny Baker

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