Kate and Doree have the pleasure of chatting with Niharika Desai (Principles of Pleasure) about her long friendship with Doree dating back to 1995, how she overcame a feeling of shame around a (well-deserved) daily nap, directing the new Netflix doc series Principles of Pleasure, and all the ways she’s learned to own her personal narrative from being an MTV World VJ to her long-distance marriage. Plus, Kate makes peace with another surgery for her hand and Doree loves recommending prods to people. 

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