Part II - Dave discusses his sister's, nieces' and nephews' murders by his brother in law. After being caught embezzling at the bank where he is a Vice President and board member, Dave's brother in law murders Dave's sister (his wife) and their four children with a baseball bat. Afterwards he commits suicide by plowing his car into a concrete barrier at 100 mph.

Guest: Dr Phyllis Kosminsky, a clinical social worker and Adjunct Professor of Social Work at Fordham University specializing in grief, loss and trauma. Dr. Kosminsky is a and a member of the International Working Group on Death, Dying and Bereavement.

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