We have a great show for you today. I have an interesting chat about transformation and Zen with Brad Warner who is an actual Zen Master. I like to bring you these non-running, but related conversations to help us think outside the box. As we know from experience, thinking outside the box can help us find ‘the third way’. 

In section one I’ll talk about change and the elasticity of human systems. In section two I’ll talk about heat running – not the typical ’10 things to remember’ post but a deeper dive into my experience last weekend running 20 miles in the teeth of it. 

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