Norm Epstein and Don Baucom are the creators of the cognitive behavioral couples therapy model. In this episode, they recount their individual backgrounds as well as how they met and began collaborating. The discuss the emotional component of CBT and the critical understanding that it is not just a set of techniques, but requires a thoughtful and authentic therapist to relate to the couple. Norm shares his vision to adapt CBT for diverse cultures, and Don points to future projects of developing a comprehensive, integrated model of healthy couple relationships.