Steve James hosts a conversation between Rupert and Award-winning English poet and author Henry Shukman.

Henry and Rupert have much in common, they were both successful artists in the first two decades of their adult life – Henry, with his poetry, and Rupert, as a potter; they are both now spiritual teachers – Henry in the Zen tradition; and Henry grew up in Oxford in the same street where Rupert now lives.

With all this in mind, Steve James, who knew them each separately, has brought them together for this wonderful conversation.