Journalist Miles O'Brien sits down with legendary climate activist and author Bill McKibben to talk about his new book Here Comes the Sun. They discuss the rapid rise of renewables, China's stunning lead in solar, America's political roadblocks, and why McKibben — yes, the man who once wrote The End of Nature — now dares to feel hopeful.

The two also explore how the surge in AI and data-center demand could reshape the energy landscape — and why sun and wind may be the only scalable way to keep the lights on.