Some amazing things are coming out of St Louis these days. Perennial Artisan Ales. Side Project’s barrel program. Urban Chestnut is expanding rapidly. And 4 Hands Brewing is opening up distribution. Today, Kevin Lemp, founder of 4 hands is in the GBH studio to talk about his start-up story. Kevin is a mild-mannered guy with two sons Rowan and Fischer, and the more I heard his story, the more it reminded me of someone else — John Barley of Solemn Oath Brewery here in Naperville, Illinois. Both of these guys started up in similar ways, both hired a talented brewer and didn’t waste any time trying to make the best beer they could possibly produce. They both create environments for creative exploration, while staying laser focused on their business goals. And they both think about the future when their sons might one day pick up the business and carry it into the next generation of brewing. But most importantly, they both seem to have an insatiable appetite for learning. So for this episode of the GBH Podcast, I turned the mic over to a pair of brewery founders and let them take the conversation wherever they liked. It's like a first date. And it's great.