This episode is a true conversation between old and new friends! Dale Raven and Cieran Ryan have been comrades since their teens. Over the course of their friendship, they've created their film company, Pale Raven Pictures, and most recently wrapped up production on their short film, Myrlan. These two gents were so willing to chat Steph and Tyler barely needed to ask any questions. It's a longer episode, but it's worth the listen!