In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland is joined by his friend and pastor, Brian Zahnd, for a wide-ranging conversation that blends rock & roll, theology, and personal transformation. 

Brian and Derek reflect on their shared history in the Charismatic Movement—and why both eventually felt called to pack their bags and move on. Using Bob Dylan’s “Maggie’s Farm” as a guiding metaphor, they explore how art, imagination, and poetic theology helped them step away from narrow subcultures and reclaim a deeper, truer spiritual identity. 

Brian talks about how Bob Dylan’s lyrics sparked his love for language—and how that shaped the way he thinks and talks about God. He also shares which books first opened up his theological imagination and how the Holy Spirit led him out of a rigid, formulaic faith into something much richer—rooted in beauty, history, and freedom. 

If you’ve ever struggled to stay true to your convictions in a system that demanded conformity—or wondered how music, literature, and art can renew your spiritual life—this conversation is for you. 

 
Key Takeaways 

✔️ How Bob Dylan’s poetry can reframe your theology 
✔️ What it means to “leave the movement, not the experience” 
✔️ Why imagination and language matter in theological formation 
✔️ The role of books, church history, and beauty in spiritual renewal 
✔️ How to stay faithful to your story when others want you to conform 

🎧 Listen now and rediscover the freedom of becoming fully yourself—with the Holy Spirit as your guide and a Dylan song in your heart. 

Books mentioned in this episode: 

The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard 

Jesus and the Victory of God by N.T. Wright 

The New Testament and the People of God by N.T. Wright 

The Resurrection of the Son of God by N.T. Wright 

You can learn more about Brian Zahnd’s books at: https://amzn.to/4f2sCUo 

Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs 

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