Rupert speaks with physicist, engineer and inventor of the microprocessor, Federico Faggin. The conversation is moderated by speaker, author and BBC broadcaster, Simon Mundie.

The episode includes topics such as why the ultimate science is the science of consciousness and how the scientific community is waking up to this understanding, how the divide between science and spirituality is completely artificial, and how we can use AI in the pursuit of truth and love.

They also discuss why the real point of interest is the hard problem of matter, not the hard problem of consciousness, and they explore various aspects of quantum and classical physics and compare views on whether free will is an illusion.