In this conversation, Cary and guest Drew Dyck discuss Drew's book 'Just Show Up: How Small Acts of Faithfulness Change Everything'. Drew shares his journey in Christian publishing and the importance of showing up and being present for others. He emphasizes the value of faithful obedience and the need to let go of perfectionism. They also explore topics such as navigating doubts, finding strength in the Psalms, the impact of the book 'Steady Strength' to Christian leadership, the importance of vulnerability and real friends in ministry, and the connection between nurturing a healthy soul and leading a healthy culture.