In this episode, Jeff engages in a dynamic conversation with Hanseul Kang, the Executive Director of the Broad Center at the Yale School of Management. Hanseul shares her journey from being an undocumented immigrant to becoming a prominent educational leader. She discusses her impactful tenure as the District of Columbia State Superintendent of Education and her current role in supporting and developing leaders through the Broad Center's programs.

Jeff and Hanseul explore the importance of continuous learning for leaders, the value of gaining perspectives from outside the educational realm, and how systemic strategies can elevate educational outcomes. Hanseul offers insights on managing complexity, building trust, and making impactful decisions. This episode highlights the power of leadership, the importance of community, and the endless possibilities of learning from one another.