Eric Weinstein and Mick West dive deep into UFO phenomena, examining the evidence, the role of skepticism, and the stigma that surrounds the field. They trade perspectives on what counts as credible data and discuss how public perception shapes the conversation.

- 00:00:00 - Introduction
- 00:03:12 - What does Mick respect about Eric?
- 00:04:20 - What does Eric respect about Mick?
- 00:05:24 - What does Curt respect about each
- 00:06:55 - Skeptic vs. Debunker (Mick... which are you?)
- 00:09:32 - Salutary role of skepticism and Eric's thoughts on Mick
- 00:14:53 - The "woo" that's concomitant with UFO research
- 00:19:00 - UFO research isn't a "hobby"
- 00:23:34 - Mick's "agenda" (or non‑agenda)
- 00:25:19 - No convincing public UFO data
- 00:30:58 - The "superposition" argument: exotic explanations Mick entertains
- 00:35:03 - Where is the evidence?
- 00:36:28 - Outlying data points matter
- 00:40:07 - Some debunkers stifle the UFO community, but not all
- 00:43:34 - Disagreement between Eric and Mick
- 00:45:50 - Mick has changed his mind about UFOs
- 00:50:38 - CE5 and invitations to Skin Walker (would Mick / Eric go?)
- 00:53:26 - Cattle mutilation? Remote viewing?
- 01:06:14 - Classifying different UFO craft
- 01:07:31 - Why so many sober UFO witnesses?
- 01:09:22 - Brandon Fugal's story
- 01:16:46 - UFOs as "technology" vs. "new physics"
- 01:23:37 - Secret history of anti‑gravity research with Lefschetz and DeWitt
- 01:30:58 - Remaining terrestrial explanations
- 01:41:26 - Eric's 1988 sighting
- 01:44:57 - Skin Walker TV show and stigma
- 01:46:30 - Brandon's high‑quality data points?
- 01:47:45 - Opinions on Bob Lazar
- 01:48:52 - Opprobrium from stigma
- 01:51:45 - Twitter squabble between Eric and Mick
- 01:54:11 - Ongoing opprobrium toward firsthand accounts
- 01:58:46 - Defending claims without physical evidence
- 02:03:05 - Some conspiracies are real
- 02:07:56 - Rectifying ridicule in ufology
- 02:21:41 - Eric's view on precipitating disclosure
- 02:24:48 - Mick's view on precipitating disclosure
- 02:27:21 - Curt asked: "What do you want to see happen?"
- 02:33:32 - Is it improbable we're visited? If we were, we'd visit others.

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