Everything They Don't Tell You

Most people think they understand each other.

They don't.

Greg McKeown, author of Essentialism and Effortless, has spent years teaching millions of people to do less but better. But lately, he's been wrestling with something even more fundamental than prioritization.

He calls it confident misunderstanding.

And once you see it, you start seeing it everywhere. In leadership, at home, in negotiation, in conflict. The gap between what we think we understand and what we actually understand is not 2x. It's 20x.

In this conversation, Greg breaks down the research that proves we are catastrophically bad at understanding each other, why this is the priority bottleneck holding back your business and relationships, and how one CEO turned a $350 billion company into a $3.5 trillion company by mastering a single skill: becoming a signalist.

Greg explains why the signal is being drowned out by noise, why most people confuse active listening with actually understanding, and how to create the space between agreement and disagreement where transformation happens.

This is not about communication tactics. This is about the pivot upon which everything turns.

In this episode:

Why confident misunderstanding is the dysfunction of our times
The tapping experiment that reveals how wrong we are about being understood
How Microsoft went from flat to $3.5 trillion under Satya Nadella
Why the signal is being drowned out in every conversation you have
The one rule that cuts through polarization in under two hours
How to establish the space where understanding becomes possible
Why active listening is overrated and what to do instead
The signalist loop: listen, reflect, speak, confirm
How one interrogator found Saddam Hussein in five months using a new communication game
Why listening is not about being understanding but about understanding
The seven words that will stop any argument: let me see if I understand you
How to pinpoint the red button issue that's keeping someone stuck
Why your teenager doesn't actually want to quit high school
How a professor stayed frozen for three years because of a corrupted meaning frame
Why courage is required to hold space for what you don't want to hear
How to metabolize your life instead of letting experiences metastasize
What Greg learned from 40 years of conversation with his best friend
Why the space between right and wrong is where everything transforms

Greg McKeown is the author of Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less and Effortless: Make It Easier to Do What Matters Most. He recently completed a doctorate at the University of Cambridge studying the priority bottleneck that keeps people from living essentialist lives.

Learn more about Greg:
https://gregmckeown.com/

Really understanding each other is the pivot upon which everything turns. Without it, nothing is possible. With it, everything is.

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Introduction: The Pivot Upon Which Everything Turns
• 00:01:25 The Paradox of Success: When More Becomes the Enemy
• 00:07:33 The Tapper and Listener Experiment: A 20x Gap in Understanding
• 00:09:28 Confident Misunderstanding: The Priority Bottleneck Holding Everything Back
• 00:13:00 The Microsoft Story: How One CEO Created $3 Trillion in Value
• 00:23:35 Carl Rogers and the Lost Technology of Understanding
• 00:34:48 The Age of Disorientation: Why Social Media Has Weaponized Misunderstanding
• 00:44:05 The Courage to Create Space Between Right and Wrong
• 00:56:33 The Signalist Loop: Listen, Reflect, Speak, Confirm
• 01:00:33 The Three-Year Freeze: Unlocking a Professor's Red Button Issue
• 01:08:55 Eric Maddox and Finding Saddam Hussein: From 4% to 65% Success
• 01:16:51 Let Me See If I Understand You: Seven Words That Change Everything
• 01:19:12 Journaling as Signal Discovery: What, So What, Now What
• 01:24:30 The Field Beyond Right-Doing and Wrong-Doing: A 40-Year Conversation
• 01:29:00 Without It Nothing Is Possible, With It Everything Is

#leadership #communication #essentialism #understanding #relationships

Most people who lose everything as a teenager spend the rest of their lives terrified it will happen again.

Denise Donoghue turned that terror into fuel.

At 17, she came home from school to find everything she owned sitting on the front lawn. Her mattress. Her clothes. Her stuffed animal. All of it thrown across the grass for the entire neighborhood to see.

The bank had foreclosed on the house her dad owned for 26 years. She had no idea that was even possible.

That moment changed everything.

But the foreclosure was not the first time Denise learned that security could disappear. Her mom left when she was eight years old after being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. Her dad got custody, inherited half a million dollars, and spent it all in four years. Then when Denise was 20, he left too. Wrote a letter, moved to the Philippines, and never came back.

She was raised by abandonment, humiliation, and a father who taught her resilience through verbal and physical abuse. So she did what high achievers do when love feels unreliable: she went all in on what she could control.

Business could not hurt her. Money could not leave her. So she built both.

Today, Denise is a top 1% mortgage producer in the United States and the founder of Mortgage Nerd Academy, where she teaches loan officers how to educate families on financial strategy so they never lose their homes the way she did.

But success built on survival comes with a cost. In this conversation, Denise walks through the moment she realized her obsession with control was keeping her from the life she actually wanted, why resilience can become self-destructive, and how she learned to trust people again after spending most of her life proving she did not need anyone.

In this episode:

The day Denise came home to find all her belongings on the front lawn
Why her mom lost custody when Denise was eight years old
How her dad spent half a million dollars in four years
What it felt like to be abandoned by both parents
Why she stopped trusting men and relationships entirely
How business became the one thing she could control
The moment she got shingles at 29 and her doctor told her stress was destroying her body
Why she told her husband no the first time he proposed
How three years of infertility forced her to face what she was actually chasing
What her husband said that finally broke through her walls
Why she built Mortgage Nerd Academy to stop loan officers from getting ripped off by outdated coaches
How productivity can become a drug that keeps you from the life you want
Why candor is kindness and conflict builds trust
What would change if you had nothing to prove
How to know when delegation is the right move
Why your mess is just as messy as everyone else's

Denise Donoghue is a top 1% mortgage producer, founder of Mortgage Nerd Academy, and a relentless advocate for financial education. She teaches loan officers and families how to make smarter financial decisions so they never lose their homes the way she did.

Learn more about Denise:

https://mortgagenerdacademy.com/
https://www.instagram.com/themortgagenerd/

If you are alive today, you are undefeated.

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Introduction: If You're Alive Today, You're Undefeated
• 00:01:46 The Day Everything Changed: Foreclosure at 17
• 00:02:12 Abandoned Twice: When Both Parents Left
• 00:16:26 Learning to Love Yourself When No One Else Does
• 00:20:23 The $3,000 That Ended a Relationship
• 00:32:40 Building the Airplane in the Air: Embracing Fear
• 00:40:19 Control: When Your Superpower Becomes Your Prison
• 00:42:35 From Loan Officer to Teacher: The Mortgage Nerd Academy
• 00:50:39 The Wake-Up Call: Shingles at 29
• 00:56:34 The Partner Who Wouldn't Let Her Bullshit Herself
• 01:01:20 Candor Is Kindness: Building a Culture of Truth
• 01:06:02 Time Flies, Who's the Captain? Taking Responsibility
• 01:07:06 What Would Your Life Look Like With Nothing to Prove?
• 01:09:02 The First Thing Every Business Owner Should Delegate
• 01:15:07 You Can Be Both: Mom and Badass Business Owner

#resilience #entrepreneurship #mortgages #financialeducation #leadership

Most people who struggle with addiction never get help.

Not because they don't want it.

Because the only help they're offered requires them to quit immediately, admit they're powerless, and commit to never drinking or using again for the rest of their lives.

And if they're not ready for that, the system says: come back when you hit rock bottom.

Hamilton Baden built a career leading sales for one of the largest specialty pharmacies in the country. He was successful, respected, winning by every external measure. And the entire time, he was quietly losing his battle with alcohol.

He knew he had a problem for 22 years before he finally raised his hand and asked for help. The day he walked into treatment was both the best and the worst day of his life.

Today, Hamilton runs Youturn Health, a company built around one uncomfortable truth: 95% of people who struggle with addiction or mental health issues will never enter traditional clinical treatment. His model doesn't wait for people to be ready. It meets them where they are, removes the fear, and refuses to let them fail.

In this conversation, Hamilton walks through the neurobiology of addiction, why traditional treatment only works for a small percentage of people, and what actually changes when you stop waiting for someone to have a moment of clarity and start showing up for them before they're ready.

In this episode:

Why Hamilton drank every night for years and still showed up to work like a normal person
How his dopamine levels spiked to 24 when a normal person's goes to 11
The moment in treatment when he finally admitted he was an alcoholic
Why his wife wanted him to quit drinking but didn't understand he was incapable of drinking like her
The three gaps in traditional addiction treatment that leave 95% of people behind
Why telling someone to hit rock bottom before getting help is dangerous and outdated
How fentanyl changed everything about the way we have to approach addiction
The rat study that proves the opposite of addiction is community, not willpower
Why peer support works when clinical treatment doesn't
How Youturn Health flips the responsibility from the person struggling to the coach supporting them
The 18 year old girl who wasn't ready to quit fentanyl but stayed alive because someone refused to give up on her
Why some treatment centers fired Youturn Health after their relapse rates dropped
What leaders and managers should do when someone on their team is struggling
How to intervene when someone mentions suicide and why you don't need to be trained to help
Why Hamilton wouldn't change a single thing about his story, even the hardest parts

Hamilton Baden is the co-founder of Youturn Health, a peer support platform that closes the gaps in traditional addiction and mental health treatment by meeting people where they are and refusing to let them fail.

Learn more about Hamilton and YouTurn Health:
https://youturnhealth.com/

If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available. Call or text 988 to connect with the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Support is free, confidential, and available 24/7.

This episode is for educational and entertainment purposes and does not replace individualized medical or mental health advice. Consult a qualified healthcare professional before changing medications, supplements, or treatment protocols.

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Introduction: The Best and Worst Day of His Life
• 00:07:05 The Neurobiology of Addiction: Why He Couldn't Drink Like a Normal Person
• 00:14:50 When Your Life Revolves Around Alcohol
• 00:16:36 The Most Dangerous Place for an Addict: Success
• 00:20:20 The Moment of Clarity That Changed Everything
• 00:30:05 The Three Gaps Traditional Treatment Fails to Address
• 00:44:24 Meeting People Where They Are: The U-Turn Health Model
• 00:57:50 The Story That Proves Everything: Saving an 18-Year-Old on the Streets
• 01:15:12 Suicide Prevention: Your Duty to Intervene
• 01:21:42 What Leaders Should Do When Someone on Their Team Is Struggling
• 01:29:33 The Separation That Almost Ended His Marriage
• 01:32:38 The Biggest Misperception and Where to Find Help

#addiction #mentalhealth #recovery #leadership #etdty

Everybody has an opinion about AI right now.

Most of them are guessing.

Kevin Surace is not guessing.

He holds 95 patents and was building AI virtual assistants 30 years ago, long before Siri, years before ChatGPT and Claude, back when the entire idea sounded like science fiction.

So when he tells you what is coming, he is not reacting to the headlines. He has already spent decades watching the future arrive.

And he is not scared. He is encouraged.

But here is the part that surprised me: the man who spent 30 years building the machines is now writing a book about joy. Not productivity. Not efficiency. Joy.

In this conversation, Kevin explains why AI is not coming for your job unless you refuse to use it, why the people who embrace AI become more valuable rather than less, and why the real threat is not automation but complacency.

He also shares what he has learned about success, failure, humility, and why joy must come before success if you want to build anything that lasts.

In this episode:

Why Kevin built AI virtual assistants in 1998 and what the world was not ready for
How 3.5 million people used voice assistants before the iPhone existed
Why the patents Kevin filed decades ago became the foundation for Siri and Alexa
What happens when you invent something the world is not psychologically or financially ready to adopt
Why autonomous vehicles are 97% safer than human drivers but we still fear them
How critical thinking reveals what fear and headlines obscure
Why AI takes away joyless work, not jobs
The macro workforce problem nobody is talking about
How coders who use AI go 10 to 100 times faster and why that does not mean layoffs
Who gets fired and who becomes indispensable in the age of AI
Why taste, judgment, and experience are the skills that matter most now
What Kevin told his HR director when she said using AI could get her fired
How humanoid robots will learn by reinforcement and why that changes everything
Why complaining 100 times a day keeps you stuck at zero
The one complaint a day rule and how it rewires your brain
Why joy leads to success, not the other way around
How to find joy in firing someone, sweeping the floor, or failing
Why some people need to be blessed out of your life
What humility taught Kevin that ambition could not
How to become the robot overlord instead of being replaced by one

Kevin Surace is an inventor, entrepreneur, speaker, and author of The Joyous Success Cycle, with a foreword by Goldie Hawn. His work spans AI, robotics, sustainability, and biometric authentication.

Learn more about Kevin:
https://kevinsurace.com
https://joysuccesscycle.com

If you want to keep your job, the best thing you can do is be the robot overlord.

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Introduction: The Robot Overlord
• 00:01:05 The Man Behind 95 Patents
• 00:04:15 Building AI Virtual Assistants in 1998
• 00:08:20 Why the World Wasn't Ready
• 00:14:20 The Future Is Already Here
• 00:21:13 AI Is Not Coming for Your Job
• 00:24:56 Be the Robot Overlord or Be Replaced
• 00:26:23 What Actually Worries Kevin About AI
• 00:36:46 The Skills That Become More Valuable
• 00:42:24 The Joy Success Cycle
• 00:50:31 Finding Joy in Every Moment
• 00:57:36 Bless the Joy Killers Out of Your Life
• 01:00:09 AI Won't Kill Your Critical Thinking
• 01:04:19 Be Humble and Stay Curious
• 01:08:42 Who You Can Become When You Use AI

#AI #automation #innovation #joy #leadership

The man who spent his career keeping elite athletes healthy nearly lost his own life because he missed what was happening inside his own body.

Justin Roethlingshoefer has worked with Stanley Cup champions, Olympians, and some of the best athletes in the world. His job was to keep them at their peak. Then his doctors told him he wouldn't live to see 35.

Four precancerous polyps. A bleeding precancerous ulcer. And a body that looked healthy on the outside but was quietly breaking down from the inside.

In this conversation, Justin walks through the moment he realized that the same system he built for elite performers could save his own life. He explains why most people confuse looking healthy with being healthy, why your habits are simply your identity made visible, and how healing the cell allows the body to heal itself.

This is not a conversation about biohacks or quick fixes.

It is about understanding the body you live in so you can actually steward it.

In this episode:

Why high performers think they are Iron Man until they are not
How an eight year old boy shaped a 30 year identity of needing to be impressive
The five imprisoned hearts that limit men: performer, perfecter, pessimist, pleaser, protector
Why disconnection creates an imprisoned heart, which poisons the mind and diseases the body
What manufactured confidence looks like and why it leaves you feeling empty
How to define joy as acceptance of the present moment
Why your habits, behaviors, and life rhythms are simply your identity made visible
The difference between routine and intentional rhythms
What the cell needs: oxygen, detoxification, and nutrients
Why heart rate variability is the most holistic measure of health
How VO2 max reveals whether your body is struggling even when you do not feel stressed
Why sleep quality determines whether your body can detoxify
The difference between blood serum testing and cellular nutrient testing
Why vitamin deficiencies cause hormone imbalances, not the other way around
How to move from "I will try" to "I will do whatever it takes"
Why you cannot put new habits on an old identity and expect transformation
What it means to heal the cell so the body heals itself

Justin Roethlingshoefer is a health expert, author of Holy Health, and founder of Own It Coaching, where he helps high capacity leaders take ownership of their health so they can live in alignment with how they were designed.

Learn more about Justin:
https://ownitcoaching.com
https://holyhealthbook.com

This episode is for educational and entertainment purposes and does not replace individualized medical advice. Consult a qualified healthcare professional before changing medications, supplements, or health protocols.

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Introduction: The Health Expert Who Was Told He Wouldn't Live Past 35
• 00:05:07 The Eight-Year-Old Boy: Where Performance Identity Began
• 00:10:03 Forgiving the Younger Versions of Yourself
• 00:12:37 The Five Hearts That Imprison Men
• 00:16:24 The Order of Breakdown: Spirit, Heart, Mind, Body
• 00:20:37 Manufactured Confidence vs. True Confidence
• 00:24:02 Defining Joy: Peace and Freedom in Any Moment
• 00:25:21 When Habits Become Idols: The Rigidity Trap
• 00:27:51 Your Habits Are Your Identity Made Visible
• 00:34:12 Consistency Will Get You Paid: The Thirteen-Year-Old's Lesson
• 00:36:27 The Difference Between Routine and Intentional Rhythms
• 00:43:57 Cellular Health: The Foundation Everything Else Is Built On
• 00:46:07 The Three Things Every Cell Needs to Thrive
• 00:48:02 Heart Rate Variability: The Language of Your Body
• 00:54:48 The 84% Solution: Why HRV Above the 50th Percentile Matters
• 00:55:58 VO2 Max: Why 45 or Greater Is Non-Negotiable for Men
• 00:58:35 Sleep Quality: The Glymphatic System and Detoxification
• 01:04:21 Zone Two and Zone Five: The Training Protocol That Works
• 01:06:40 Cellular Deficiencies: What Blood Work Doesn't Tell You
• 01:07:45 Methylation: Why Most Supplements Don't Work
• 01:09:18 Testosterone Deficiency Is Actually a Vitamin Deficiency
• 01:14:18 Success Takes Sacrifice vs. Success and Health Go Hand in Hand
• 01:14:48 Leading from Overflow, Not Exhaustion
• 01:15:55 Dustin's Story: From 85 Pounds Overweight to CrossFit Games
• 01:20:22 Heal the Cell, The Body Heals Itself
• 01:20:59 Track, Design, Refine: The System That Works
• 01:25:49 The Commitment Bridge: From False to True Identity
• 01:27:46 I'll Do It When: The Moving Goalpost That Never Comes
• 01:29:06 Whatever It Takes: Covenant Level Commitment
• 01:30:32 Be Nothing: The Secret to Serving at the Highest Level

#health #leadership #identity #wellness

Exhaustion is not proof that you are working harder. It may be the reason your best work is getting worse.

In this episode, Josh sits down with Dr. Michael Breus, widely known as The Sleep Doctor, to unpack what high performers consistently misunderstand about sleep.

Dr. Breus explains why entrepreneurs often sleep differently, how your chronotype affects the best time to focus, create, exercise, and recover, and why the time you wake up may matter more than the time you go to bed.

They also explore caffeine, alcohol, sleep apnea, waking up in the middle of the night, melatonin, sleep tracking, and the danger of turning better sleep into another impossible standard.

In this conversation:

• Why sleep deprivation changes your judgment and emotional regulation
• The three-part sleep strategy Dr. Breus gives entrepreneurs
• Why your wake time anchors your entire sleep schedule
• How chronotypes affect productivity, relationships, and leadership
• What caffeine and alcohol may be doing to your sleep
• Why people wake up between 1 and 3 a.m.
• Practical ways to quiet your mind and return to sleep
• What people misunderstand about melatonin and supplements
• Why better sleep does not require perfect sleep

Take the free Chronoquiz created for ETDTY listeners:

https://sleepdoctor.com/etdty

Michael J. Breus, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, sleep medicine specialist, author of five books, and one of only 168 people to pass the sleep medicine specialty board without attending medical school.

Learn more about Dr. Breus:

https://sleepdoctor.com

This episode is for educational and entertainment purposes and does not replace individualized medical advice. Consult a qualified healthcare professional before changing medications or supplements.

Why does getting older make us more afraid that we will never reach our potential?

In his first ETDTY solo episode, Josh Zolin examines four forces behind that pressure: legacy, proof, joy, and impact. He explores why some forms of ambition are rooted in fear, why others come from love, and how constantly moving the goalpost can make even meaningful success feel empty.

This is a personal examination of achievement, self-worth, alignment, and the difference between being remembered and making an impact.

Why do people say yes when they don't want to?

And what separates influence from manipulation?

Dr. Robert Cialdini, author of Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion and Pre-suasion, joins the show to break down the seven universal principles that shape human decision making.

This conversation isn't about tricks or tactics. It's about trust. It's about how people really make decisions, how leaders move people without manipulating them, and what happens when technology starts pulling us farther apart instead of bringing us closer together.

Dr. Cialdini explains why reciprocity works when you go first, why authority validates better in multiples, how scarcity drives urgency more than discounts, and why showing people you are one of them is more powerful than simply being like them.

He also gets into the ethics of influence, the long term cost of deception, and why organizations that tolerate dishonesty attract the wrong people and lose the best ones.

And he shares what Warren Buffett does in his shareholder letters that makes people trust him more, not less.

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In this episode:

Why people say yes even when they don't want to
The seven universal principles of persuasion
How reciprocity unlocks influence when you give first
Why liking works better when paired with warmth and approval
The difference between similarity and unity
How authority validates more effectively in groups
Why scarcity of items works better than scarcity of time
How loss language outperforms gain language
What makes commitment and consistency so powerful
The ethics of influence and the long term cost of deception
Why dishonest cultures attract cheaters and lose top performers
How to humanize your communication in the digital age
What Warren Buffett does to establish credibility in his messaging
Why influence is a responsibility, not just a tactic

Because at the end of the day, influence isn't just about getting someone to say yes.

It's about who we become while trying.

Learn more about Dr. Robert Cialdini:
https://www.cialdini.com/

Chapters

• 00:00:00 Introduction: The Psychology of Yes
• 00:02:25 The Seven Principles of Persuasion
• 00:05:23 Reciprocation: The Most Primitive Principle
• 00:09:29 Liking: Show Them You Like Them First
• 00:15:26 Authority and Social Proof: Consensus Wins
• 00:18:27 The Power of Social Proof and Popularity
• 00:22:40 Commitment and Consistency
• 00:24:31 Scarcity: Loss is the Ultimate Motivator
• 00:31:22 Unity: You Are One of Them
• 00:36:05 The Ethics of Influence
• 00:39:17 The Cost of Dishonesty in Organizations
• 00:43:24 Influence in the Digital Age
• 00:47:20 Humanize Your Digital Presence
• 00:54:06 Being an Authority vs. Being in Authority
• 00:55:38 Warren Buffett and the Power of Honesty

#influence #persuasion #leadership #businessethics #etdty

What if the way you speak is not fixed?

Speech and communication coach Myles Usher Doyle has worked with some of the most recognizable voices in podcasting, health, and digital media, including Chris Williamson of Modern Wisdom, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, and Heidi Somers.

In this episode, Myles joins the show for a conversation about voice, presence, fear, and the hidden reason so many capable people struggle to be heard.

Myles explains why improving your voice does not mean becoming fake, why nervous people often talk too much, and how learning to pause can completely change the way an audience experiences you.

He also shares the childhood moments that shaped his work, including being so quiet that a teacher admitted they sometimes forgot he was in the room.

This conversation explores filler words, public-speaking anxiety, storytelling, listening, persuasion, confidence, and what it really takes to command a room.

Because finding your voice is not about becoming someone else.

It is about finally allowing people to experience who you already are.

Learn more about Myles at https://www.speak-well.co.uk/

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When the thing you built becomes your identity, losing it can feel like losing yourself.

Anthony Trucks spent 13 years turning himself into an NFL player. Then football disappeared, and the identity underneath it nearly collapsed too.

His business struggled. His marriage fell apart. He lost his health, his status, and nearly himself.

In this conversation, Anthony and I unpack the invisible machinery of identity: why we confuse ourselves with our titles, why responsibility restores agency, and why information alone does not create change.

Anthony explains dark work, the unseen and often uncelebrated work that rewires who you are when nobody is watching.

We also explore:

• The identity gap that appears when a career or chapter ends
• Why you were never the fruit, you were always the tree
• How helplessness can become the darkest lie you believe
• Why acting out of character can create a new identity
• The connection between self-respect and self-love
• Why action creates clarity and motion changes emotion
• How to stop identifying with outcomes
• The difference between shadow work and dark work
• How to intentionally build the person you need to become

This is not a clean reinvention story.

It is the truth about what can happen when the identity that built you starts breaking you.

Learn more about Anthony:

darkwork.com anthonytrucks.com

Content warning: This episode includes a candid discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide. Some listeners may find this material distressing. Please listen with care.

If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available. In the United States, call or text 988 or visit 988lifeline.org to connect with the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. Support is free, confidential, and available 24/7.

If you or someone else is in immediate danger, call 911 or go to the nearest emergency department. Outside the United States, contact your local emergency services or crisis support line.

This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care.