How should the UK engage with China? In this week’s episode, journalist Kate McCann and co-host Sir Richard Dearlove, former head of Britain’s MI6, sit down with Sir Grant Shapps, former Defence Secretary for the United Kingdom. During his tenure, Shapps was an advocate for building European defense in the wake of the war in Ukraine. He gives insight into what it was like to work with China and explains why the United Kingdom should engage financially and commercially with the nation. He also shares his thoughts on President Donald Trump’s unpredictable foreign policy approaches and why he’s disappointed in Trump’s relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Plus, Shapps shares his thoughts on fortifying an AI defense strategy and offers predictions for the future of foreign policy.

Episode produced by Situation Room Studios. Original music composed and produced by Leo Sidran.