Dr. Dakotah Tyler and Justin Shaifer start with spirit animals — a praying mantis and a green sea turtle — and from there the conversation goes everywhere it wants to. Prehistoric giant insects, the DART asteroid deflection mission, Edwin Hubble's discovery that Andromeda was never just a gas cloud, the psychology of failure and rejection, simulation theory, what happens when you die, Thomas Edison's rumored spirit phone, and Carl Sagan's fire-breathing garage dragon.

The thread running through all of it is what it means to keep building when the institutions aren't calling back, and what it means to stop letting a limited observer define what you are. Two trillion galaxies were always out there. We just couldn't see them yet.

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