FANTI

**This week FANTI is passing the mic to We See Each Other: The Podcast while our show is on a short hiatus. But don’t worry, we’ll be back with all new episodes starting August 31st! 

This week, we have reached the end of the journey with the final episode of We See Each Other: The Podcast. Hosts Tre’vell Anderson and Shar Jossell welcome Pose and American Horror Story star, Angelica Ross. She speaks on the state of trans media representation, how comedy has been both a gift and curse for the trans community, and what it means to indict one’s self. Then, our hosts speak with political journalist and host of The Anti - Trans Hate Machine, Imara Jones. Imara speaks on how trans representation in media has changed over time, going from no representation at all to hypervisibility in just the span of a few years. While media representation is still an obstacle, Imara asserts that erasure is the most violent act on the trans community. 

But first, some heartfelt final thoughts in Pass The Mic, where we hear from some community members from the Unique Women Coalition, and a WSEO listener.

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Mentioned in the Show

Chicago’s Kit Kat Lounge

The Anti-Trans Hate Machine podcast

TransLash Podcast with Imara Jones

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@vivalapalma (Producer, Palmira Muniz)

@swishswish (Senior Producer, Laura Swisher) 

Music: Neverending Nina (IG @neverendingninanotes)

Producer: Palmira Muniz

Senior Producer: Laura Swisher

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Never Ending Nina

We See Each Other: The Podcast is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

This podcast is supported by Critical Minded, an initiative to invest in cultural critics of color co founded by The Nathan Cummings Foundation and The Ford Foundation. It’s a production of Slayzhon and Maximum Fun! 

On this week’s episode, jarrett and Tre’vell talk about church. Can we get an A - THEM?! The hosts examine their experiences growing up in church as baby queers, bringing up the good parts and a lot of the bad. But first, in the wake of Jonathan Majors' arrest on Saturday for alleged domestic assault, our hosts react to the conversations happening online. [Note: this conversation was recorded on Tuesday, March 28th]

Mentioned in this Episode 

Jonathan Majors 

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

jh:

dm: Plus size fashion (But shout out to TrendyCurvy on combating fatphobia in the fashion world)

hm: Tre’vell, Ray Love, Mary Grace and the whole team of NABJLA

hm: Black guy voice of Siri

TA

HM: Give Them Their Flowers—An Exhibit of Black LGBTQ+ Miami History

DM: Spotify

HM: Trans Week of Visibility and Action

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@FANTIpodcast

@Jarrett Hill

@rayzon (Tre’vell)

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@FANTIpodcast

@TreVellAnderson

@JarrettHill

@vivalapalma 

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

Who’s bringing the potato salad to the Donald Trump is Going to Jail party? Jarrett’s got sign up sheets! Then later, the hosts bring you the long awaited Copaganda conversation.

Mentioned In this Episode

Donald Trump

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

jh:

HM: Janelle James and her opening monologue at the 2023 Writers Guild Awards 

TA: 

HM: Tre’vell takes a moment to celebrate themselves. 

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@vivalapalma (Producer, Palmira Muniz)

@Swish (Senior Producer, Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

Ever had a white friend? Or perhaps you are the white friend? On this week’s episode we discuss the FAN and ANTI of interracial friending. 

Mentioned In This Episode

Jussie Smollett 

White People 

People Who are White

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

Jarrett’s picks:

HM: Jason Johnson - Happy Birthday!

HM: Unprisoned, (Hulu) starring Marque Richardson and Kerry Washington

HM: Oscar’s production design

HM: Tony Evans, jr  for song, Starless

Tre’vell’s picks:

HM: Rihanna’s Oscar Performance

HM: 17 Leading Broadcasters on Barbara Walters's Legacy 

Our Sponsors This Week

Wild Grain

Wild Grain is the first-ever, bake-from-frozen subscription box for sourdough breads, fresh pastas, and artisanal pastries.

For a limited time, FANTI listeners can get $30 off their first box, plus free croissants in every box with their subscription.

To get this offer, go to: Wildgrain.com/FANTI. FANTI listeners can also use the promo code FANTI at checkout to get the discount.

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@TreVellAnderson

@JarrettHill

@vivalapalma (Producer Palmira Muniz)

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

On this week’s episode, hosts Tre’vell Anderson and jarrett hill go over the complex and complicado of the highly anticipated Barbie movie. They get into their thoughts on the film’s rollout, marketing strategy, and how Stereotypical Barbie represents the beginning of white women’s self - reckoning. But first in our Pass The Popcorn segment, our hosts speak on the state of the entertainment industry, from the WGA/SAG - AFTRA union strikes, to Hollywood’s initiative of driving out diversity, specifically at the network executive level.

Our hosts will also be on hiatus during the month of August, but don’t worry!  We’ll be sharing content throughout the break and will be back on August 31st with a brand new episode. 

Mentioned In This Episode

UPS Union Strikes 

Shuwanza Goff 

Kevin Maxen

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

jh

DM: Companies who email too damn much 

TA

HM: Creative Cuisine / GLAAD

Our Sponsors This Week

Wild Grain

Wild Grain is the first-ever, bake-from-frozen subscription box for sourdough breads, fresh pastas, and artisanal pastries.

For a limited time, FANTI listeners can get $30 off their first box, plus free croissants in every box with their subscription.

To get this offer, go to: Wildgrain.com/FANTI. FANTI listeners can also use the promo code FANTI at checkout to get the discount.

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@TreVellAnderson

@JarrettHill

@vivalapalma (Producer Palmira Muniz) 

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

On this week’s episode, we dive into our bag of listener letters from YOU, the #FANTIfam! Hosts jarrett hill and Tre’vell Anderson respond to your questions about Artificial Intelligence, Copaganda, and British Vogue’s Pride Issue featuring Ncuti Gatwa. Our hosts also get into a lesson on Scottish Parliament, potato wedges, why Flava of Love might have actually been a queer show, and more! 

Then later, some DisHonorable Mentions and a message from our producers.

Mentioned In this Episode 

Stop Cop City: Copaganda Pt II (ft. Da’Shaun L. Harrison)

Is Pride for Not-Queer People?

Fake Smart, Real Problems: Artificial Intelligence

I Just Wanna Be Successful

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

HM: South LA Pride / Durand Bernarr

HM: Netflix’s Survival Of The Thickest starring Michelle Buteau 

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@JarrettHill

@vivalapalma (Producer Palmira Muniz) 

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

In this week’s episode, hosts Tre’vell Anderson and jarrett hill bring you a little something different: an extended discussion on the pros and cons of authoring a book. Our hosts discuss how challenging the writing process really is with FANTI veteran and author of When Crack Was King, Donovan X. Ramsey. The writers get into the nitty gritty of writing a book, covering everything from the brainstorming stage, finding motivation to write consistently, and fighting tooth and nail over book cover art. 

Then later, Emmy winning director, Nneka Onuorah’s latest documentary, Truth Be Told, and more highlights in our DisHonorable Mentions. 

Mentioned In This Episode

When Crack Was King

Historically Black Phrases

We See Each Other: A Black Trans Journey Through TV and Film 

We See Each Other: The Podcast 

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

Jh

HM: Deeply Madly Modern YouTube channel 

HM: Truth Be Told - Nneka Onuorah’s latest, premiering at Outfest July 20th

HM: The new (ish) social media app, Spill 

TA

HM: Stealth: A Transmasculine Podcast

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And to all the LA folks, you can now shop Brooklinen’s sheets, towels and more in person at their Santa Monica store.

For a limited time, FANTI listeners will get $20 off plus free shipping on orders of $100 or more by using the code FANTI.  

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@Jarrett Hill

@rayzon (Tre’vell)

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@FANTIpodcast

@TreVellAnderson

@JarrettHill

@vivalapalma(Producer, Palmira Muniz)

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

Y’all loved the first one so much, we had to bring it back! Hosts jarrett hill and Tre’vell Anderson welcome writer, editor, and Stop Cop City activist Da’Shaun L. Harrison. Harrison also discusses why they and fellow activists are trying to block the development and construction of a police training compound “Cop City”, on the outskirts of Atlanta. Stop Cop City activists believe that going forward with the development would displace and disenfranchise the lives of marginalized people, and further perpetuate the police state we are currently living in.  In addition, they’ll discuss how copaganda goes beyond just “cop shows” and legal dramas and can show up in many different forms in media. 

Later on the show, Tre’vell and jarrett get into some DisHonorable Mentions and a history lesson on civil rights activist Pauli Murray. 

Mentioned In This Episode:

Pauli Murray 

Copaganda 

Stop Cop City 

DIS/Honorable Mentions: 

jh:

HM: Well, I Laughed Podcast - the system was never designed for us to stop working

HM: See The Thing Is..Podcast - I’d rather work thru jealousy than work thru dishonesty” 

HM: Snoop Dogg, Doggyland Kid Hits, Affirmation Song

HM: The Schomburg’s marking time: Arts In The Age of Incarceration

TA:

HM: The Hollywood Reporter and New York Times Envelope roundtable talk curators, particularly Lacey Rose.

Plugs:

Da’Shaun L. Harrison’s Belly Of The Beast: THE POLITICS OF ANTI-FATNESS AS ANTI-BLACKNESS

My Name Is Pauli Murray - Prime Video

We See Each Other: A Black Trans Journey Through Television and Film 

Buy The Book

Listen To The Podcast

Pre-order Historically Black Phrases

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Email: [email protected]

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@FANTIpodcast

@Jarrett Hill

@rayzon (Tre’vell)

Twitter

@FANTIpodcast

@TreVellAnderson

@JarrettHill

@Vivalapalma (Producer Palmira Muniz)

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

On this week’s episode, hosts Tre’vell Anderson and jarrett hill make a call back to Tre’vell’s Dis/Honrable Mention of Ncuti Gatwa’s British Vogue’s Pride Issue feature in Ep #174. In the issue, Gatwa claims he chooses not to label himself as queer, which poses the question: has Pride rebranded (again) to fit those who do not identify as queer?

But first, jarrett and Tre’vell discuss the state of employment, or rather unemployment, in media considering the rise of publication layoffs, like Buzzfeed News with 15% staff layoffs and Insider with 10%, just this past April. With many more platforms following the same trend, the future of journalism looks uncertain. And later, we get a history lesson on the very first Queen of Drag.

Mentioned In The Episode

Ncuti Gatwa in the Pride Issue of British Vogue

Smithsonian Magazine, William Dorsey Swann, the First Self - Proclaimed “Queen of Drag”

We See Each Other: The Podcast

DIS/Honorable Mentions 

jh:

DM: Amy Schumer’s new Netflix special “Emergency Contact”

HM: Aisha Harris’s new book “Wannabe: Reckonings With The Pop Culture That Shapes Me”

TA

HM: Peacock original film,  Praise This

Our Sponsors This Week

Wild Grain

Wild Grain is the first-ever, bake-from-frozen subscription box for sourdough breads, fresh pastas, and artisanal pastries.

For a limited time, FANTI listeners can get $30 off their first box, plus free croissants in every box with their subscription.

To get this offer, go to: Wildgrain.com/FANTI. FANTI listeners can also use the promo code FANTI at checkout to get the discount.

Go ahead and @ us

Email: [email protected]

IG

@FANTIpodcast

@Jarrett Hill

@rayzon (Tre’vell)

Twitter

@FANTIpodcast

@TreVellAnderson

@JarrettHill

@vivalapalma (Producer, Palmira Muniz)

@Swish (Senior Producer Laura Swisher)

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Cor.ece

Graphics: Ashley Nguyen

FANTI is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org

This week FANTI is passing the mic to We See Each Other: The Podcast. After you listen to the episode, make sure to check out Kristen Lovell’s The Stroll which premiered on Max the evening before this episode dropped.

Hosts Tre’vell Anderson and Shar Jossell welcome producer and co - director of the documentary, The Stroll, Kristen Lovell as they discuss the documentary’s portrayal of trans sex workers who worked in the Meatpacking District of New York City during the 90s. Lovell also speaks on finally having the control of the Black trans narrative behind the camera, and not just as the subject. Then, our hosts speak with the producer and director of the documentary, Kokomo City, D. Smith. She discusses the audience's reception to the film and  the legacy of Koko Da Doll, the star of the film who was tragically murdered earlier this year. 

But first, Tre’vell and Shar discuss sex work representation in media as it pertains to Black Trans women and while it being a necessary piece of trans history, it is not the end all be all of trans representation. And later we hear what every day trans folks have to say about trans visibility in another segment of Pass The Mic.

Episode Notes:

Hosts Tre’vell Anderson and Shar Jossell welcome producer and co - director of the documentary, The Stroll, Kristen Lovell as they discuss the documentary’s portrayal of trans sex workers who worked in the Meatpacking District of New York City during the 90s. Lovell also speaks on finally having the control of the Black trans narrative behind the camera, and not just as the subject. Then, our hosts speak with the producer and director of the documentary, Kokomo City, D. Smith. She discusses the audience's reception to the film and  the legacy of Koko Da Doll, the star of the film who was tragically murdered earlier this year. 

But first, Tre’vell and Shar discuss sex work representation in media as it pertains to Black Trans women and while it being a necessary piece of trans history to learn, it is not the end all be all of trans representation. And later we hear what every day trans folks have to say about trans visibility in another segment of Pass The Mic.

Over the course of this series, Tre’vell and Shar will be including the personal experiences of ‘everyday’ trans people. To that end, anyone in community who wishes to comment on or speak to issues brought up on the show, please share your thoughts with them. We’ve made it easy to record a message. Just click SpeakPipe.com/WeSeeEachOther and follow the very simple instructions. If you’d like to email Shar and Tre’vell, you can send any message to [email protected] and put WSEO in the subject line.

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We made it easy to share your thoughts. Go to SpeakPipe.com/WeSeeEachOther

You can buy We See Each Other: A Black Trans Journey Through TV & Film the book wherever books are sold

Mentioned in the Show

D. Smith on Kokomo City

Kokomo City

Pose (Hulu)

Stroll

Good Trouble (Freeform)

Sylvia Rivera’s Place

Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil

Plugs 

Kokomo City will be in select theaters on July 28th 

The Stroll drops June 21 on HBO 

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@Rayzhon 

@sharsaysso 

@slayzhon (WSEO IG) 

Twitter

@trevellanderson 

@sharssaysso 

@slayzhon 

@vivalapalma (Producer, Palmira Muniz)

@swishswish (Senior Producer, Laura Swisher) 

Music: Neverending Nina (IG @neverendingninanotes)

Producer: Palmira Muniz

Senior Producer: Laura Swisher

Laura Swisher is senior producer 

Music: Never Ending Nina

We See Each Other: The Podcast is produced and distributed by MaximumFun.org