The Design of Business | The Business of Design is taking a mid season hiatus, but new episodes will be dropping in September. In the meantime, we wanted to highlight a podcast we've been listening to: Optimistic Design.

Beth Kolko is a humanities-turned-engineering academic turned entrepreneur turned venture capitalist who has worked at the forefront of multiple technology-driven cultural shifts. She is a Design Professor at UW, Co-Founder at Shift Labs, and Venture Partner at Pack VC. Give it a listen, we think you'll enjoy it!

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