On the Gist, Mississippi.

In the interview, Ben Smith from the New York Times is here to discuss the recent ousting of editor James Bennet over an op-ed by Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas. They talk about the cultural divides it highlighted, what it means for the Times, and the future of opinion on the internet. Smith's latest piece is "Inside the Revolts Erupting in America's big Newsrooms."

In the spiel, Cops is canceled.

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Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Margaret Kelley.

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