If there's one person who is intimately familiar with what it means to be a woman making her way in a male-dominated field, it's today's guest, Manuela Nicolosi, an Italian international soccer referee, speaker, and entrepreneur.

Manuela is an undeniable trailblazer and has a series of barrier-breaking accomplishments to her name. Not only is she the first woman to referee a Men's European Final (the Super Cup between Liverpool and Chelsea in 2019), but she is also the first Italian woman to referee the final of the Women's World Cup. In today's conversation with Manuela, we talk about her journey as a soccer referee, her love of the game, and the challenges she's faced while navigating a field dominated by men. We learn about the strict rules that governed Italian soccer when she was growing up, how this prevented women from becoming referees, and the change in regulation that took place when she was only 15, opening up new opportunities for women. Not only did this allow her to pursue her huge dream of making a name for herself in soccer, but it paved the way for her to inspire other young women to do the same through her work as a public speaker. Tuning in you'll learn about many of the skills you need to master as a top-level referee, such as being able to make quick decisions under pressure and remaining calm and balanced when players and fans are (sometimes aggressively and angrilly) challenging your decisions. We then go on to examine how these skills can translate to other leadership positions and why learning to accept your mistakes and take them in stride is such a game-changer. Today's episode is deeply inspiring and a powerful reminder of what it means to follow your dreams, no matter the odds, so be sure to tune in!

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Learing about our inspiring guest today: Manuela Nicolosi. [00:21]

• Her strong relationship with her father, their shared love of soccer, why he objected to her playing professionally, and how he came to support her dream of refereeing at a high level. [03:13]

• Italy's outdated rule that only men could be referees, and the Federation's decision to open up opportunities to women. [05:41]

• The tragic loss of her father when she was 16 years old and her desire to make her father proud through her work. [09:53]

• Manuela's experience of being the only woman in a male-dominated field, the challenges she has had to overcome, and how her dedication helped her persevere. [13:56]

• What Manuela has learned about how to remain focused when she makes a mistake and what this can teach us about leadership. [19:24]

• The resistance and active opposition you face from players and why it's important to remain calm and firm in your decisions. [23:27]

• The intense selection process to referee for the World Cup, what it was like for Manuela to referee the Finals, and the tremendous pressure she faced as a woman. [29:12]

• The crowd's beautiful reaction to seeing the first ever group of women refereeing a World Cup final. [36:05]

• Find out about Manuela's children's book and what she has learned from her work as a speaker. [38:19]

For More Information:

Manuela Nicolosi on LinkedInManuela Nicolosi on Instagram

The Magic in You – Soccer Dreams with Sophia

Book Manuela to Speak

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

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Quotes:

"I started playing [soccer] myself, but my dad said 'It's not something for girls. So I don't want you to play soccer.' He wanted me to do everything except soccer." — [0:04:56]

"I was lucky because I [was] at the beginning. It was something new. People were supportive. Also in the local Federation, people were supportive. They helped me with many games. I always had someone coming with me and giving me advice." — [0:11:49]

"I only had one goal, I was focused, I wanted to achieve always more and more and more." — [0:15:11]

"When you referee you also need to learn [to say] 'Okay, I made the mistake. I will think about that. I will analyze that later. But I need to continue running, continue be focused on the game because otherwise I will keep making errors.'" — [0:19:27]

"The crowd did a very beautiful thing. Normally when referees go out on the pitch, or are warming up before the game, they always whistle. [But] in this case, we went out and all of the stadium started clapping." — [0:36:24]

"I think we girls are afraid of competition. They are not taught that it's good to be competitive. It's good!" — [0:41:19]

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"You have a lot of knowledge and expertise, but if you continually doubt the strength of your opinions and views, or the importance of sharing your ideas, you are going to lose the ability to shape where your career (and life) is going." – Kathy Caprino

Confidence is key as you step into being the most powerful and impactful (and happiest) version of you. This topic is something I feel compelled to talk about ​given my particular lens as a former corporate VP, then a marriage and family therapist (focused on systems and communication), a researcher, and in coaching and training thousands of executives and professionals across 6 continents these past 16 years. I know too – from working with teams and leaders at organizations both large and small, including startups that are experiencing exponential growth – that many managers and even seasoned leaders fear they simply don't know enough to do their jobs well, Many suffer from imposter syndrome. In short, confidence is a problem that impedes thousands of people's success and fulfillment in life and work. Tune into today's show as I explore the 5 ways that your lack of confidence is hurting you, and what you can do specifically to overcome this challenge and build your confidence and self-trust now so that it doesn't impact your success and professional fulfillment in the future.

In this episode, I reference my recent Forbes blog post, 5 Ways Your Lack Of Confidence Is Apparent And Hurting You, which I recommend reading. If you find the information helpful in identifying and overcoming a lack of confidence in yourself, please feel free to share the piece and this episode with your teams, organizations and colleagues who might benefit as well.

Highlights from this Episode:

• How questioning your own ideas is holding you back right now in so many different ways [6:50]

• The importance of understanding and "reading" the environment and ecosystem you are in, before sharing your ideas, and an example from my own career that highlights this [8:56]

• How the 7 damaging power gaps impact your confidence, courage to grow and your self-respect and self-acceptance today [13:21]

• What agonizing over your performance and how others think of you will interfere with what you need to do to experience more success and reward [14:27]

• Some places where you can get outside help if you're feeling as if you're "blowing it" in the workplace, and how this will help you move forward in your career [17:03]

• What to do the next time you find yourself being hypercritical of someone, and what I've seen from my experience as a therapist that explains why this is happening [18:31]

• An example from my own life as a parent when I truly learned that it's not possible to be perfect, and nor should we strive to be [21:21]

• Where jealousy and the feeling of being threatened by others' success often stems from, and how to begin leaving these emotions behind so that you can move forward more joyfully [25:10]

• Action steps to take to help you determine what you are good at and how that matters [30:25]

• What unshakable success requires and why so many of us don't have it [34:50]

For More Information:

My Forbes Post, 5 Ways Your Lack Of Confidence Is Apparent And Hurting You

https://kathycaprino.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathycaprino

https://www.facebook.com/ElliaCommunications

https://twitter.com/kathycaprino

Resources Mentioned:

American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy

Kathy's 6-Session Career Breakthrough Coaching Program & Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up

Kathy's Forbes Interview with Bestselling Author Gretchen Rubin, How Bestselling Author Gretchen Rubin Uncovers Life-Changing Behaviors And Touches Millions

Kathy's Forbes Posts, Developing a Confidence Mind: Key Strategies for Experiencing Unshakable Success & 7 Signs Of Perfectionistic Overfunctioning – How To Recognize It In Yourself And Change It

Finding Brave interviews with Dr. Zinsser (Parts 1 and 2)

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QUOTES FROM TODAY'S SHOW: "Your lack of confidence is most likely apparent to those around you, and it is hurting you. It is keeping you from growing." [6:51]

"Greater awareness equals greater choice, and it is really important to get to the bottom of what you need to be aware of now." [18:23]

"Kind, loving, and generous people are usually the same way to themselves. They're accepting and they're forgiving of themselves." [18:58]

"What consistently repeats is not random. We co-create, we co-sustain, and we attract behavior." [20:05]

"Do something empowering when you feel jealous of others. Look at what it really means, and then do something concrete." [30:17]

"If you don't recognize what you are good at, then you can't talk about what you are good at. If you can't talk about it and share it and put it on LinkedIn, put it on your resume, discuss it in your interviews and talk to your boss about it, you are leaving so much success, money, reward and advancement on the table." [31:01]

"It's not bragging to talk about what you're good at and the outcomes that you've created." [32:20]

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THANK YOU FOR 5 WONDERFUL YEARS OF FINDING BRAVE, HELPING US REACH THE MILESTONE OF OVER 500,000 DOWNLOADS, AND RANKING IN THE TOP 1.5% OF OVER 3 MILLION PODCASTS WORLDWIDE!

We're so excited to bring you this special episode of Finding Brave which celebrates two big milestones that I am very proud of. Firstly, we're celebrating 5 years of continuous publication of this show and, secondly, reaching over 500,000 downloads! And we're thrilled to be ranked in the top 1.5% of over 3 million podcasts globally and to consistently list in the Top 100 Apple Career Podcasts all over the world.

I am so grateful to all our amazing guests who have provided so much thought-provoking and informative content that enriches our lives, careers, and relationships. Today, you'll hear brief excerpts of the top 20 most popular episodes of the show since its inception. I hope you love them and find them thought-provoking and enriching, in your life, work and pursuits. I'm very grateful to you, our wonderful listeners, who've been so supportive and encouraging over the past years.

Thank you again for all your interest and support of the show. It's been a true joy to bring it to you. I and my wonderful team send our deepest thanks, and we look forward to the next five years together! Here's to Finding Brave in your life every day!

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Bestselling author Joseph Grenny explains why "80% of the problem (in communication) is pre-verbal." [01:48]

• Why #1 vocal coach Cheryl Porter encourages you to believe in yourself without a doubt. [03:22]

• The vital importance of distinguishing between a job and a calling with Kathy Caprino. [05:05]

• How to turn your "mess into a message" and what has to happen first, according to success coach Anthony Trucks. [07:16]

• How learning to let go of the future can become a superpower in your life, with futurist April Rinne. [08:47]

• What it means to #1 Communication Coach Dorie Clark to build a "portfolio career" and why that's essential for success today. [11:00]

• Why forgiveness expert Dr. Fred Luskin believes that you limit yourself when you take things "too personally." [12:58]

• Jason Marc Campbell explains why, in your sales, professional and business growth endeavors, you must not ever compromise on your true mission. [15:06]

• Five essential steps to take when you want change in your career with Kathy Caprino. [16:08]

• Top 100 Financial Advisor George Grombacher on the unforced errors you might be making in your personal finances. [18:18]

• How Simple Courage founder Heather Hubbard believes experimentation propels us forward like no other action can. [20:45]

• Why Brave By Design founder Laura Khalil stresses that 30% of people won't like you and how understanding that fact frees us. [22:11]

• The importance of recognizing and understanding "privilege" as unearned benefits, with coach and author Karen Catlin. [23:19]

• Financial coach Catherine Morgan's strategy for relinquishing guilt and shame around money. [25:13]

• How self-help guru Amy Morin defines mental strength and views it as a choice. [27:32]

• What Chief Storyteller Tony Vlahos means when he says your story must "have soul." [28:34]

• Three aspects of a worthy goal, according to author Michael Bungay Stanier. [30:05]

• Entrepreneur Wendy Pease on the differences between men and women in business. [32:26]

• Why we need to resist some aspects of socialization in order to avoid mediocrity as explained by human performance expert Dr. Nate Zinsser. [33:25]

• Advice for finding clarity through experience, from performance coach Stu Massengill. [35:02]

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

186: How to Have Those Difficult But Crucial Conversations With Friends and Colleagues, with Joseph Grenny

187: #1 Vocal Coach on How to Pivot Your Creative Business and Soar, with Cheryl Porter

190: Free Audio Chapter 6 of The Most Powerful You: Losing Sight of Your Thrilling Dream for Your Life

192: Making A Powerful Identity Shift That Will Elevate Your Life, with Anthony Trucks

193: Using a "Flux" Mindset To Better Navigate The Future, with April Rinne

194: How Being A Long-Term Thinker Will Improve Your Life and Career, with Dorie Clark

195: How to Forgive Someone When You Feel You Can't, with Dr. Fred Luskin

196: How to Sell With Love (and Love Doing It), with Jason Marc Campbell

197: The 5 Biggest Blunders Career Changers Make

198: What's Really Holding Us Back From Earning and Having Exponentially More Money, with George Grombacher

201: Are The Stories You've Been Told Supporting or Suppressing You? with Heather Hubbard

202: Build Greater Business Success By Answering Three Key Questions, with Laura Khalil

204: How To Be a Better Ally at Work And Build an Inclusive Culture, with Karen Catlin

205: How To Build Financial Wellbeing Into the Heart of Your Life and Work, with Catherine Morgan

207: How to Build the Mental Strength You Need To Reach Your Great Potential, with Amy Morin

209: How to Tell a Riveting True Story About Who You Are and Why That Matters, with Tony Vlahos

210: How to Begin Doing Something That Matters, with Michael Bungay Stanier

211: Stepping Out From Corporate Life to Entrepreneurship By Buying a Business, with Wendy Pease

212: How Confidence Is the Key, and How You Can Get It, Build It, and Keep It, with Dr. Nate Zinsser

218: Find Your Direction and Fall In Love With What You Do, with Stu Massengill

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Hello! Kathy here. Thanks so much for tuning into today's episode. One quick thing I'd love to share before you go is about my video training program for organizations and professionals, called "The MOST POWERFUL YOU" which is the companion to my book The Most Powerful You: 7 Bravery-Boosting Paths to Career Bliss.

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Thank you so much, and here's to you becoming The Most Powerful You!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Quotes:

"If you believe in yourself enough in the beginning, those people who believe in you will come along. Sometimes, you have to wait for them but you're not going to find them if you don't believe in yourself in the beginning." — Cheryl Porter [0:04:14]

"We are so caught up in needing to control THE future as we want it to play out that we actually miss all the different possible futures that may play out and how you might contribute to one of those." — April Rinne [0:09:20]

"If you're mission-driven, if you're an impact-driven entrepreneur, then every time you discount yourself, you're limiting the potential energy you can reinvest within your business." — Jason Marc Campbell [0:15:31]

"One of the lessons that I learned very early on in business is – 30% of people are just never going to like you." — Laura Khalil [0:22:31]

"Mental strength is a choice. It's all about what you choose to do every day [and] getting control of the way you think, feel, and behave." — Amy Morin [0:28:12]

"The way you get clarity in your life is through experiencing, not thinking." — Stu Massengill [0:36:26]

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A great leader is able to resiliently and bravely handle core challenges and address key obstacles, all while building a work culture of belonging, safety and trust. And having leaders who demonstrate true empathy has become far more important to employees in today's post-covid world. To explore what empathy in the workplace is today and how leaders must demonstrate it more fully and authentically, is our inspiring guest Raj Sharma from Ernst & Young.

Raj is the Vice Chair at Ernst & Young (EY) Consulting. His 25 years of experience in commercial and financial services has helped him become a global business executive and transformative technology leader, building businesses and executing strategic growth initiatives worldwide. He now leads over 25,000 consultants across the Americas service line.

In our conversation, we explore the importance of empathy in leadership by examining EY's recent study on empathy in business. We learn about the most compelling results from the study and what motivated EY to do this research in the first place, how their findings can help other leaders, and what our guest thinks about empathy overall.

Discussing the research findings that over 50% of employees don't see real empathy at work, Raj explains how empathy can lead to innovation and accountability and how you can improve actionable empathy in your own workplace. We discuss his 5 steps for becoming a great leader and what Raj finds most challenging about managing such a large workforce. Finally, we explore the idea that leaders aren't just "born" – there is a great deal of work, commitment and self-mastery required in becoming a highly effective leader and manager. To learn more about empathy and its critical role in sustaining a successful organization, don't miss today's show.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• A note of thanks to our loyal listeners for 500 000 downloads and our top 1.5% ranking! [00:53]

• Introducing Raj Sharma and his inspiring professional background. [02:48]

• Why Ernst and Young (EY) decided to do a study on empathy in leadership. [04:18]

• What leaders can learn from EY's empathy observations, and Raj's take on empathy. [07:20]

• The most compelling findings from EY's study. [13:01]

• How empathy creates safe spaces that drive creativity and accountability. [14:37]

• Why more than 50% of study participants value empathy but aren't getting it at work. [18:39]

• Some steps for improving authentic, actionable empathy at your organization. [19:40]

• Kathy's five characteristics of a great leader, and Raj's five steps to become one. [23:55]

• The most difficult aspect of managing a massive team/workforce, according to Raj. [35:44]

• A call from Raj to learn more about empathy and get acquainted with EY's empathy survey and study tool. [38:02]

For More Information:

Raj Sharma on LinkedIn

Raj Sharma on Twitter

Ernst & Young (EY) Consulting

Ernst & Young (EY) Consulting on Twitter

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

EY's 2023 Empathy in Business Survey, Authentic Empathy: The key to your organization's business success

Steve Payne on LinkedIn

New EY US Consulting Study, Employees Overwhelmingly Expect Empathy In The Workplace, But Many Say It Feels Disingenuous

Kathy's Forbes Interview with Raj, Employees Now Expect Empathy In The Workplace, But Half Aren't Getting It

Kathy's Globe and Mail Article, Why Promoting Your Star Employee Into A Managerial Role May Not Be A Great Idea

Kathy's Book, The Most Powerful You

Are you ready for a BIG positive shift in how you're working and what you're capable of achieving today in your career and leadership? Let's work together and make that happen!

I'd love to share about my video training program for organizations and professionals called, "The Most Powerful You" which is the companion to my book, The Most Powerful You: 7 Bravery-Boosting Paths to Career Bliss.

I'm so thrilled that a division of the United Nations has brought in The Most Powerful You program as a training tool for members of their staff and other amazing global organizations have done the same. This program brings to organizations real-world, research-based and transformative training for leaders, teams and professionals to help them close their power and confidence gaps in leadership, communication, interpersonal relationships, strategic thinking, collaboration-building and more – so they can achieve their highest and most rewarding potential and success in their work and projects.

Please take a look at what I'm training in The Most Powerful You and if you feel the content would be instrumental for you and your teams, I hope you'll ask your HR and DEI managers to bring in this training program to your company. It's truly transformational for work cultures and professionals everywhere, and it generates amazing results.

Thank you so much and here's to you becoming The Most Powerful You.

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some exciting news about supporting your coaching growth, success, and impact.

Right now, we're opening the enrollment of my private (1:1) coaching training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into learning powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that teach the 16 most essential steps to building an amazing career that your clients need to know. And this training will help you become far more effective and impactful in supporting women to thrive today in their jobs, roles, and careers.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught critical business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for both new and more seasoned coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: how you support your clients to thrive, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Join me this Winter!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

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Quotes:

"Empathy is not sympathy — I can be sympathetic to anything, [but] I can only be empathetic when I understand what you're going through, and [I'm] putting myself in your shoes, and I'm taking action to ensure that I'm helping you." — @RajShramUM [11:01]

"We always knew that empathy creates a safer place for people to work, but we were surprised at the data [demonstrating] that [empathy] is driving so much creativity and so much innovation in the company." — @RajShramUM [14:36]

"If you create a safe place where people are not afraid to fail, and [where] every failure does not have an impact associated with it — now you're creating a culture of mutual respect, belonging, and more importantly, accountability." — @RajShramUM [14:49]

"If you're going to create a consistent culture of high-performing teams, empathy has to be a big part of it." — @RajShramUM [18:13]

"It's not good [enough to just] talk about empathy; the most important thing is authentic, actionable empathy." — @RajShramUM [19:42]

"Have the courage to listen, [and] have the compassion to make the changes." — @RajShramUM [21:14]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

You can't always choose the people you work with, but you can choose to pursue having the best possible working relationship with them. Joining us today is return guest Michael Bungay Stanier, author of the new book How to Work With Almost Anyone: Five Questions for Building the Best Possible Relationships, to talk about the importance of working relationships and how to create ones that are safe, vital, and repairable. Listeners may recognize Michael from Episode 210 of Finding Brave, How to Begin Doing Something That Matters, where Michael shares his keen insights on the three key components of a worthy goal and what it means to commit to one. Michael is the author of six books to date, the combined sales of which go well beyond one million copies. He is most known for his best-selling book The Coaching Habit: Say Less, Ask More & Change the Way You Lead Forever, and is considered one of the world's top thought leaders when it comes to coaching. Michael is also the host of 2 Pages with MBS, a fascinating podcast where his exceptional guests read the two most noteworthy pages of a favorite book and share how reading it impacted and shaped them.

In today's conversation, we dig into the complex nature of working relationships, why they are so important, and how to have the best possible relationship with the person across the table from you. Michael shares why he felt compelled to write his latest book before outlining some of the essential questions he poses to readers and how they can improve working relationships today. He also provides a detailed breakdown of how to have a keystone conversation and explains how these can help you maintain and improve relationships by giving one another permission to check in and keep talking about how well (or poorly) you're working together. Working with people will always be messy and challenging, but when you commit to having the best relationship possible, incredible things can happen. To hear all of Michael's thought-provoking and very helpful insights on one of the most important aspects of our working lives, be sure to tune in today. You won't want to miss this one!

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• An introduction to today's guest: Michael Bungay Stanier. [05:10]

• What compelled Michael to write his new book How to Work With Almost Anyone. [08:15]

• Michael's approach to the writing process. [10:27]

• Understanding how to build relationships that are safe, vital, and repairable. [16:34]

• How to have a keystone conversation and why it's so valuable. [18:11]

• The five questions in How to Work With Almost Anyone and how they help create a shared language between you and the person you're working with. [23:46]

• How to overcome the (inevitable) obstacles in any working relationship. [26:48]

• Building the best possible relationship with the person across the table from you. [30:13]

• The biggest barrier to giving feedback and how to do so with clarity. [38:36]

• How to access Michael's latest book and great bonus content. [41:53]

For More Information:

Michael Bungay Stanier

Michael Bungay Stanier on Instagram

Michael Bungay Stanier on LinkedIn

Michael Bungay Stanier on YouTube

Michael Bungay Stanier on Twitter

Michael Bungay Stanier on Facebook

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Michael's bestselling book: The Coaching Habit

Michael's latest book: How to Work With Almost Anyone

Michael's previous appearance on Finding Brave: How to Begin Doing Something That Matters

Michael's podcast: 2 Pages with MBS

Michael's TedTalk: 'How to Tame your Advice Monster'

Are you ready for a BIG positive shift in how you're working and what you're capable of achieving today in your career and leadership? Let's work together and make that happen! While you might know me best as a podcast host and writer, a key focus in my work is career and leadership coaching for mid- to high-level professional women. In my Career & Leadership Breakthrough 1:1 program, I help women get what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, recognition, advancement, financial reward, well-being, and fulfillment. And I also help them embrace their most exciting visions for the future.

In the past 16 years, I've worked with over 20,000 women across 6 continents, and before that, I served as a therapist, and before that, I was a corporate VP managing multi-million-dollar budgets and global initiatives. I leverage all of that experience to help women build a new chapter of work to reach their highest and happiest potential in careers they love. Check out kathycaprino.com/careerbreakthrough and I hope you'll register now. I'd love to support you!

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some exciting news about supporting your coaching growth, success, and impact.

Right now, we're opening the enrollment of my private (1:1) coaching training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into learning powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that teach the 16 most essential steps to building an amazing career that your clients need to know. And this training will help you become far more effective and impactful in supporting women to thrive today in their jobs, roles, and careers.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught critical business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for both new and more seasoned coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: how you support your clients to thrive, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Join me this Winter!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Quotes:

"How much space can you create, so people can engage with the most important idea." — @WorksMbs [0:11:55]

"I'm always going, 'How do I write this book tighter and shorter and cleaner [with] less filling to it?'" — @WorksMbs [0:12:01]

"I think that's the soil from which all of my books grow, which is a sense of 'how do we all be fully human, [and] the best humans we can? And how do we bring that about with the people we interact with?'" — @WorksMbs [0:16:17]

"Part of committing to a keystone conversation opens up the possibility that people do self-work to become more articulate about who they are and what brings out their best so that when they're in conversation, they can have a more nuanced discussion and exchange of information." — @WorksMbs [0:25:59]

"Every relationship on that bell curve has a certain amount of potential to it. The question is, how do you fulfill as much of that potential as possible? How do you make the bad ones less bad? How do you make the average ones more than average? How do you keep the great ones shining?" — @WorksMbs [0:31:22] Longer Quote

"I often think the greatest barrier to giving feedback is a lack of clarity on what you want to ask for. As soon as you get clear on what the request is, what you need to tell them becomes more crystalline." — @WorksMbs [0:40:46]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Anxiety in the workplace is far more common than many of us are willing to admit. And by refusing to normalize it we are making it even more difficult for people to navigate mental health issues and thrive at work. Our guest today, Morra Aarons-Mele, is no stranger to anxiety in the workplace and is the author of The Anxious Achiever: Turn Your Biggest Fears into Your Leadership Superpower. Morra has done powerful work in raising awareness for mental health in the workplace and has a long list of achievements to her name. In addition to being a best-selling author, global speaker, and consultant, she is also an entrepreneur and communications executive. She is the founder of Women Online, an award-winning social impact agency and she created its database of female influencers, The Mission List, both of which were sold in 2021. Morra is also the host of the award-winning podcast, The Anxious Achiever, where she helps listeners rethink the relationship between their mental health and leadership.

In today's conversation with Morra, we discuss what inspired her to pursue her work as an advocate for workplace mental health and why anxiety in the workplace needs to be normalized and understood differently from the way it is today. She shares the details of her own complex mental health journey and unpacks how our biased systems aren't actually designed to serve large groups of the population — like minority groups, women, and neurodivergent individuals — and what steps you can take to make work work for you (and how to identify what you need to help you get there). We also explore why self-awareness is essential to good leadership, what it means to make anxiety your ally, and how to assess when anxiety is a response that will be productive or counter-productive for you. To learn more about anxiety at work and how to shift your relationship with your mental health, be sure to tune in to this thought-provoking conversation with Morra Aarons-Mele!

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introducing today's guest, Morra Aarons-Mele, her complex mental health journey, and why she was compelled to write on the topic of being an anxious achiever. [00:58]

• Reframing mental health issues not as something to be overcome or cured but as something that you can learn to manage. [06:22]

• The one message Morra would like people to take away from her work. [10:57]

• What Morra has learned about incorporating anxiety and making it an ally. [13:49]

• Asking how to make work work for you and identifying what you need to help you get there. [15:27]

• Taking a strengths-based approach and how to navigate systems that aren't aligned with what you need and want. [17:58]

• Why self-awareness is a pivotal part of good leadership. [22:02]

• Understanding the different ways that anxiety can manifest, the importance of acknowledging it, and advice on the next steps to take. [24:23]

• Tools and tips for how to assess when anxiety is a productive response. [30:47]

• How to access Morra's work and get in touch. [32:00]

For More Information: Guest links - hyperlinked & underlined

Morra Aarons-MeleMorra Aarons-Mele on LinkedIn

Morra Aarons Mele on Twitter

Morra Aarons-Mele on Instagram

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Morra's Latest Book: The Anxious Achiever: Turn Your Biggest Fears into Your Leadership Superpower

Morra's Podcast: The Anxious Achiever Podcast

Companies founded by Morra: The Mission List and Women Online

Morra's TED Talk: 3 Steps to stop remote work burnout

Are you ready for a BIG positive shift in how you're working and what you're capable of achieving today in your career and leadership? Let's work together and make that happen! While you might know me best as a podcast host and writer, a key focus in my work is career and leadership coaching for mid- to high-level professional women around the globe. In my top-rated Career & Leadership Breakthrough 1:1 program, I help women get what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, recognition, advancement, financial reward, well-being, and fulfillment. And I also help them close their power gaps and embrace their most exciting visions for the future.

In the past 16 years, I've worked with over 20,000 women across 6 continents, and before that, I served as a therapist, and prior to that, I was a corporate VP managing multi-million-dollar budgets and global initiatives. I leverage all of that experience to help women build a new chapter of work to reach their highest and happiest potential in careers they love. Check out kathycaprino.com/careerbreakthrough and I hope you'll register now. I'd love to support you!

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some exciting news about supporting your coaching growth, success, and impact.

Right now, we're opening the enrollment of my private (1:1) coaching training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into learning powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that teach the 16 most essential steps to building an amazing career that your clients need to know. And this training will help you become far more effective and impactful in supporting women to thrive today in their jobs, roles, and careers.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught critical business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for both new and more seasoned coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: how you support your clients to thrive, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Join me this Winter!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Quotes:

"I learned at a young age that being special was a great way to get people to see me, to value me, to talk about me, to feel the bask of my mom's admiration and love for me." — @morraam [0:09:40]

"We work in systems that don't serve us, that weren't created for us. They're racist, they're patriarchal, they're biased. And why do a lot of women feel anxious? Why do a lot of people of color feel anxious? Because they are in places that aren't welcoming." — @morraam [0:13:27]

"We don't make systems for the neurodivergent brain." — @morraam [0:15:49]

"People like me, we need independence. But we [also] need teams and support. Now, if I'm in an organization that values me, I should be able to carve out some of those. But first, I have to know what I need." — @morraam [0:19:56]

"Self-awareness is, I think, the biggest key to leadership. [And] there's been data that supports that." — @morraam [0:22:11]

"Pay attention to your body throughout the day because anxiety really shows up in our body." — @morraam [0:27:09]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Today's guest has a fascinating and important perspective on what it is to live authentically, or as she describes it, "flawesomely". Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani is the co-founder of Mindvalley, one of the world's most powerful life transformation platform with a following of 20 million and still growing. She is an entrepreneur, writer, international speaker, artist, philanthropist, and host of the podcast, Flawesome with Kristina.

With 20 years of experience in the personal growth industry, her content has touched the lives of tens of thousands of students. Today she joins Finding Brave to discuss her book Becoming Flawesome: The Key to Living An Imperfectly Authentic Life.

Kristina explains what it means to live "as ourselves without ourselves" and opens up about the revelation she had when she realized that she was missing herself. We discuss our views on perfectionism, why you can't recover from being yourself, and the distinction between unlearning certain behaviors versus what's part of your personality.

We also explore the concept of emotional analgesia and the relationship between this and gender roles. Kristina also shares what she hopes readers will glean from her book and we conclude with a practical step towards embracing our imperfections. Tune in to find out how you too can overcome perfectionism and self-doubt by embracing your "flawesome" self.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• An introduction to today's guest: Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani. [01:16]

• What it means to live as ourselves without ourselves. [03:07]

• What Kristina missed about herself when she realized that she did miss herself. [07:58]

• How Kristina views perfectionism, how it shows up, and how to address it. [09:19]

• What emotional analgesia means and how to overcome the ideal of not feeling things. [15:30]

• How emotional analgesia relates to gender roles. [18:04]

• Thoughts on toxic positivity and why we're not comfortable with other people's pain. [23:56]

• What Kristina hopes that readers will take from her book. [27:54]

• One step to begin your "flawesome" journey: replace judgment with curiosity. [30:08]

For More Information:

Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani

Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani on LinkedIn

Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani Instagram

Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani on Facebook

Flawesome with Kristina

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Kristina's Book: Becoming Flawesome: The Key to Living An Imperfectly Authentic Life

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The video training teaches content of my latest book The Most Powerful You helping professional women address what I've seen are the 7 most damaging power and confidence gaps that block women from achieving their most exciting goals, and happiest highest potential and success. This includes imposter syndrome that impacts 75% of executive women today.

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some exciting news about supporting your coaching growth, success, and impact.

Right now, we're opening the enrollment of my private (1:1) coaching training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into learning powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that teach the 16 most essential steps to building an amazing career that your clients need to know. And this training will help you become far more effective and impactful in supporting women to thrive today in their jobs, roles, and careers.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught critical business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for both new and more seasoned coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: how you support your clients to thrive, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Join me this Winter!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Quotes:

"I think that the thing I missed the most was just being okay with being me." — Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani [0:08:13]

"I can't recover from being myself. And there is a difference – between certain bad habits and certain behaviors that you can unlearn and untrain versus your personality." — Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani [0:10:32]

"This fascination with not feeling has brought us to the point where we as a society suffer from emotional analgesia and what that means is we don't notice our emotions." — Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani [0:17:13]

"We have to allow people to feel emotions because the problem is not what emotion you feel, the problem is are you acting out of your emotion or are you acting out of your value?" — Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani [0:21:39]

"I want people to come to peace with themselves. We are hurting so much by not being okay with who we are." — Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani [0:28:26]

"If you can replace judgment with curiosity, it will open up so many doors." — Kristina Mänd-Lakhiani [0:32:34]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Today's guest, Peter Shankman, is a prime example of what happens when you harness the positive aspects of ADHD (and other types of neurodiversity) for your personal benefit. When he was formally diagnosed in his mid-30s, Peter had already founded and sold two companies and realized that the traits that previously labeled him as "troublesome" were actually his greatest assets. Following the sale of his third company, Help a Reporter Out, Peter made it a priority to truly comprehend his "faster brain" and discover its full potential.

With his Faster Than Normal podcast and bestselling book of the same name, Peter has become a leading voice on ADHD, inspiring others to embrace their untapped potential. As a futurist at BluShark Digital and Price Benowitz LLP, Peter drives innovation to better serve clients. He continues to empower individuals to surpass society's limitations through his various platforms.

In this episode, Peter joins us to discuss neurodiversity, his new children's book The Boy with the Faster Brain, and his personal journey with ADHD. He opens up about his childhood struggles with being neurodiverse and the connection between ADHD, procrastination, and the subsequent feelings of shame and humiliation.

Tuning in today, you'll hear Peter's thoughts on society's flawed and outdated norms as well as ways to create a neurodiverse-friendly environment as a company or a manager. You'll also hear Peter's transformative advice to parents, teachers, and authority figures and what he wants every child to know, about themselves and about the world around them. To find out how having a brain that is different can be your ultimate gift, tune in today!

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• An introduction to Peter Shankman, his career, and his ADHD diagnosis. [02:07]

• Why he decided to write his new children's book and what he experienced in his childhood. [04:02]

• ADHD as it relates to procrastination and the resulting shame. [08:29]

• Thoughts on why society's norms are so often based on outdated ideas, beliefs and approaches and how that hurts us. [11:24]

• The value of diverting resources towards mental health in the workplace and how that positively impacts everyone. [13:43]

• How to become a neurodiverse-friendly company or boss. [16:56].

• Challenges that Peter has identified in the workplace in terms of accommodating the neurodiverse. [21:24]

• What Peter wants every child to understand. [24:09]

• Thoughts on whether or not neurodiverse women face more challenges than neurodiverse men. [25:26]

• What Peter wants parents, teachers, and authority figures to do differently. [26:04]

For More Information:

Peter Shankman

Peter Shankman on LinkedIn

Peter Shankman on Facebook

Peter Shankman on Instagram

Peter Shankman on Twitter

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Peter Shankman's podcast: Faster Than Normal

Peter Shankman's book: Faster Than Normal

Peter Shankman's children's book: The Boy with the Faster Brain

Are you ready for a BIG positive shift in how you're working and what you're capable of achieving today in your career and leadership? Let's work together and make that happen! While you might know me best as a podcast host and writer, a key focus in my work is career and leadership coaching for mid- to high-level professional women. In my Career & Leadership Breakthrough 1:1 program, I help women get what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, recognition, advancement, financial reward, well-being, and fulfillment. And I also help them embrace their most exciting visions for the future.

In the past 16 years, I've coached, trained and supported over 20,000 women across 6 continents, and before that, I served as a therapist, and before that, I was a corporate VP managing multi-million dollar budgets and global initiatives. I leverage all of that experience to help women build a new chapter of work to reach their highest and happiest potential in careers they love. Check out kathycaprino.com/careerbreakthrough and I hope you'll register now. I'd love to support you!

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some exciting news about supporting your coaching growth, success, and impact.

Right now, we're opening the enrollment of my private (1:1) coaching training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into learning powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that teach the 16 most essential steps to building an amazing career that your clients need to know. And this training will help you become far more effective and impactful in supporting women to thrive today in their jobs, roles, and careers.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught critical business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for both new and more seasoned coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: how you support your clients to thrive, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Join me this Winter!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

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Quotes:

"I didn't want any kid to grow up today with the same shitty existence I had growing up." — @petershankman [0:04:04]

"I had [people telling me] 'You could do so much better if you'd just apply yourself' I'm like, 'What the hell do you think I'm doing every day?'" — @petershankman [0:04:57]

"I wrote the book because I want kids to understand that they're not broken and they're gifted and they just need to understand how to use their brain in a different way." — @petershankman [0:06:56]

"Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion can not just be skin-deep. It's wonderful that you've hired a certain amount of people of color, that's great, but it's not where it ends." — @petershankman [0:17:01]

"Every single study out there shows that creativity is boosted by bringing in the neurodiverse and making it a neurodiverse-centric workplace." — @petershankman [0:17:16]

"I want [kids] to know they're not broken, I want them to know that the trouble they're having right now is twofold; it's because they haven't learned to use their brain the way that works for them and the second reason is they're not allowed to." — @petershankman [0:24:09]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Humans are spiritual beings but unfortunately, because we are so influenced by external factors, many of us have become disconnected from our spiritual selves. This results in people making life and career choices that do not align with their core values or purpose, which is causing a great deal of suffering. Today's inspiring guest, Joseph Holt, is on a mission to help people make work (and life) decisions that allow them to live their lives in a way that is true to their core values, ideals and beliefs.

Joe has held an amazingly diverse range of jobs throughout the course of his life, from gym teacher to Jesuit priest to stock broker to corporate attorney, to today where he is living out his calling as a professor at the University of Notre Dame's Mendoza College of Business teaching spirituality, ethics, gender equity, and negotiations courses.

In this episode, Joe delves into the 7 Recommended Practices for Being Your Spiritual Best Self at Work that he has developed, which include:

• Set yourself up for spiritual success

• Determine whether you need to see your current work differently or do different work

• Be alert for opportunities to be your spiritual best self

• Choose your work (and life) friends wisely

• Be as committed to your spiritual well-being as you are to your physical well-being

• Monitor your spiritual progress (or regress!) with special attention to impact

• Listen most of all to the quiet inner voice that guides you at your best.

Joe shares that "Morality is the public face of your spirituality," so tune in today to hear how you can strengthen the link between these two vitally important facets of your life and take new, enlivening steps to find long-lasting meaning and fulfillment in your work.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introducing Joseph (Joe) Holt, former Jesuit priest and current professor at the University of Notre Dame's Mendoza College of Business. [02:36]

• The most common regret that people have at the end of their lives and how you can avoid being one of those people. [05:33]

• Questions to ask yourself to set yourself up for spiritual success in the workplace. [15:12]

• The value of learning to be at peace with not knowing exactly what you want to do with your life. [18:42]

• Examples of how you can change your approach to your work to make it more meaningful to you. [21:18]

• How your workplace can provide you with opportunities to be the best version of yourself. [24:45]

• Why the people you surround yourself with are an influential part of your personal spiritual journey. [28:43]

• The transformative power of incorporating spiritual practices (however this speaks to you) into your daily life. [36:25]

• An exercise to strengthen the link between your morality (the way you conduct yourself in the world) and your spirituality (your belief system). [40:29]

• How to connect with your inner voice. [48:33]

For More Information:

Joseph Holt on LinkedIn

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

Bronnie Ware's book, The Top Five Regrets of the Dying

The German poet, Rainer Maria Rilke

William Deresiewicz's essay, Solitude and Leadership

Resources from Joe

It's not too late to take your professional life and leadership to the next level FAST!

JOIN "THE MOST POWERFUL YOU" 8-WEEK COACHING AND TRAINING COURSE WITH KATHY!

I'm thrilled to be offering a new Spring session of my 8-week coaching and training course The Most Powerful You which started May 10th (but we're happy to have you join us this week!)! In 8 powerhouse weeks together, I'll train all about the content of my book The Most Powerful You helping professional women address what I've seen are the 7 most damaging power and confidence gaps that block women from achieving their most exciting goals, and happiest highest potential and success. This includes imposter syndrome that impacts 75% of executive women today.

The course offers:

• 8 Weekly Zoom Coaching calls with me

• 8 Video Training Modules

• A Step-by-by process for boosting your Career, Confidence and Impact

• Fantastic Additional Resources from over 30 of the nation's top experts

• A Private Online Support Group for Members

• And more

Spots are very limited so sign up now at mostpowerfulyou.com. Register now and join us! I've delivered aspects of this training to over 50 organizations worldwide (including at a division of the United Nations) and participants have called it transformative and life-changing. I'm confident this course will move you forward fast. Hope to see you there!

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some news.

Right now, we've opened the enrollment window of my coach training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that will help you become far more effective in working with women.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught essential business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: How to effectively support clients – who are mid- to high-level professional women – to rise, thrive and leverage their amazing talents and experience, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Hope to work with you this Spring!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Quotes:

"A lot of us are unduly influenced by outside messages, many of which are not helpful." — Joe Holt [0:12:40]

"When it comes to choosing work, am I choosing the work that is going to most engage and fulfill me or the work that is going most to impress others? Am I choosing the work that is going to be richest in meaning for me or the work that is going to pay the most?" — Joe Holt [0:16:31]

"The German poet, Rainer Maria Rilke, wrote a collection of letters to a young poet he was mentoring — and his advice was, 'Be patient toward everything unresolved in your heart and learn to love the questions themselves.'" — Joe Holt [0:19:21]

"Questions are your friend, questions are an ally. They're going to lead you to the place where you need to be." — Joe Holt [0:20:02]

"The best friends we have in life encourage us to be our best selves." — Joe Holt [0:28:43]

"When it comes to choosing what work you do or what friendships you're in, have you planted yourself in a garden in which you can blossom to full growth?" — Joe Holt [0:32:17]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Taking responsibility for your emotions can take a lifetime to learn. But when you embrace the full spectrum of who you are, it allows you to connect with the world in new and profoundly meaningful ways. This is one of the many key lessons that today's Finding Brave guest, Robb Holman is intent on sharing with the world.

Robb is a highly sought-after global keynote speaker, lover of life, and the author of three transformational leadership books, namely, Lead the Way, All In, and Move the Needle. He is often described as an eternal optimist, a characteristic that is evidenced throughout his teachings, and is passionate about serving leaders through encouragement, inspiration, and authenticity. In our conversation, Robb provides a detailed breakdown of the concept of spiritual leadership and what we can do to cultivate it within ourselves. He unpacks how tapping into the spiritual aspect of who we are helps us connect to our higher selves and illustrates the many ways it can inspire us to do great things, both as leaders and as fellow human beings. Robb then goes on to provide five practical questions that listeners can ask themselves, at any phase of life, to help them uncover their purpose and foster spiritual leadership. We also unpack the concept of transcending yourself to transform yourself, what we can learn from athletes when it comes to tapping into your flow state, and the power of embracing your unique identity. Join us for this inspiring conversation with Robb Holman, as he shares practical tools and insights to help you connect with your higher self and discover your purpose.

Key Highlights From This Episode:

• Introducing today's guest; author, leadership developer and trainer, keynote speaker, and lover of life, Robb Holman. [01:32]

• Robb shares the story of his abnormal tumor as a 21-year-old, his miraculous recovery, and how it changed his life. [05:16]

• Discover the key lessons Robb learned from this intense experience. [10:58]

• Why Robb encourages everyone to embrace the full spectrum of their emotions and vulnerabilities. [14:46]

• Insight into why we underestimate the power of choice and human will. [19:57]

• How Robb defines spirituality and leadership and what it means to tap into your highest self. [22:10]

• The concept of transcending yourself to transform yourself, what we can learn from reaching a flow state, and the power of embracing your unique identity. [26:34]

• Practical questions to ask yourself, at any season of life, to help you discover (or rediscover) what makes you unique. [30:30]

• Identifying your legacy and how to share your gift with the world. [42:35]

• Where you can find Robb online and connect. [50:53]

For More Information:

Robb Holman

Robb Holman on LinkedIn

Robb Holman on Facebook

Robb Holman on Instagram

Robb Holman on Twitter

Lead the Way: Inside Out Leadership™ Principles For Business Owners & Leaders

All In: How Impactful Teams Build Trust from the Inside Out

Move the Needle: How Inside Out Leaders Influence Organizational Culture

Links Mentioned in Today's Episode:

"An outlook better than optimism?"— Harvard Medical School (Harvard Health Publishing —July 2021) -

Mike Dooley's lessons on his website, The Universe Talks

Check out The E-Myth Revisited, by Michael E. Gerber

Listen to Episode 129 of Finding Brave, Power Gap #6: Losing Sight of Your Most Thrilling Dream

The movie, The Book of Eli, starring Denzel Washington

Ready to Take Your Professional Life and Leadership to the Next Level FAST?

JOIN "THE MOST POWERFUL YOU" 8-WEEK COACHING AND TRAINING COURSE WITH KATHY STARTING MAY 10TH! I'm thrilled to share that I'm offering a new session of my 8-week coaching and training course, The Most Powerful You starting May 10th! In 8 powerhouse weeks together, I'll train all about the content of my book The Most Powerful You, helping professional women address what I've seen are the 7 most damaging power and confidence gaps that block women from achieving their most exciting goals, and happiest, highest potential and success. This includes imposter syndrome that impacts 75% of executive women today. When we finally do the right work to close our power and confidence gaps, the joy, fulfillment, passion and impact that we experience is often beyond our wildest dreams.

The course offers:

• 8 Weekly Zoom Coaching calls with me

• 8 Video Training Modules

• A Step-by-by process for boosting your Career, Confidence and Impact

• Fantastic Additional Resources from over 30 of the nation's top experts

• A Private Online Support Group for Members

• And more

Spots are very limited so sign up now at mostpowerfulyou.com. And when you register as an early bird, you'll save $300 and get 8 amazing bonuses. I've delivered aspects of this training to over 50 organizations worldwide (including at a division of the United Nations) and participants have called it transformative and life-changing. I'm confident this course will move you forward fast. Hope to see you there!

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Calling all coaches!

Do you run a coaching business that focuses on supporting professional women? If so, I've got some exciting news about supporting your coaching growth, success, and impact.

Right now, we're opening the enrollment of my private (1:1) coaching training program called The Amazing Career Coach Certification, which is a 17-week, hands-on training program that certifies female coaches in my proprietary 16-step career growth model, which is perfect for coaches who want a deeper dive into learning powerful, proven coaching frameworks, concepts, and skills that teach the 16 most essential steps to building an amazing career that your clients need to know. And this training will help you become far more effective and impactful in supporting women to thrive today in their jobs, roles, and careers.

And through the program, you'll get access to a powerful Small Business Acceleration program called The Rapid Growth Academy, delivered by my friend and colleague, award-winning business growth expert, Matthew Pollard.

Through Matthew's program, you'll be taught critical business and sales growth info that will help you grow your business success in the quickest way possible.

In my view, there's nothing on the market like for both new and more seasoned coaches because it targets the two critical aspects of success: how you support your clients to thrive, and just as importantly, how to grow your own business to the next level.

For more information, visit certification.amazingcareerproject.com and check out the details. Join me this Winter!

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Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today!

In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here.

If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible.

Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources

Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment

Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz

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Sponsor Highlight

I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today!

Audible Offer

Amazon Music Offer

Quotes:

"It's like my mind was trying to play catch up with what was happening in my heart. And in that moment, I started to come alive in the depth of my being in a way I'd never come alive before." — @robbholman [0:11:11]

"It is so easy to just bypass how we really feel. I did it for years, in the name of gratitude. You just bypass how you really feel." — @robbholman [0:21:12]

"I really find [that] in the deepest place of who we are, that's the spiritual place." — @robbholman [0:23:10]

"I think people are a little bit more intuitive than they may even realize." — @robbholman [0:23:42]

"I want to know how I can tap into this deep place more often. I want to nurture it, I want to care for it. It's like being a good steward of certain things." — @robbholman [0:24:27]

"When we actually become more self-reflective, and be, not just okay, but learn to embrace the quiet times of self-reflection, meditation, and prayer, [that's when] we start to learn, slowly but surely, how to absorb both joy and grief together." — @robbholman [0:50:04]

Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube!

Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!