Marcelo Burlon isn’t supposed to exist. He grew up in Patagonia, landed in Milan with a working‑class family, started as a teenage club dancer and somehow became one of the key figures turning underground nightlife into a global fashion movement.

He’s the founder of County of Milan, a label born directly out of dance floors, streetwear and music that ended up on artists all over the world. Marcelo never came up through the “proper” fashion system; he disrupted it. From doing PR at Magazzini Generali and throwing legendary parties, to connecting Virgil Abloh with Italian manufacturers and helping spark Off‑White and Palm Angels, he’s been quietly building a whole ecosystem of friends, brands and scenes.

In this episode of Flirting with Friendship, Seth and Bill sit down with their old friend Marcelo to talk about how club culture became fashion culture - and why he decided to walk away from all of it.

They get into:

• Growing up in Patagonia, moving to Italy, and discovering Riccione’s 90s club scene

• How fashion houses used club kids as the original influencers, pre‑social media

• How DJing, parties and community turned into a t‑shirt line that blew up overnight

• Connecting Virgil Abloh with production in Milan and the origin story of Off‑White

• The cross‑pollination of queer culture, fashion, hip hop and underground clubbing

• Queer visibility, casting trans models, and why he tried (and struggled) to run his own foundation

• Politics, dark times and why “the darkness” can be creatively inspiring

• Retiring from his brand, investing, opening a padel club in Patagonia and designing a quiet, ugly‑beautiful life with his husband

If you care about how nightlife, friendship and queerness quietly rewired global fashion, this one is a history lesson, a love letter and a retirement fantasy rolled into one.

Keep up with Marcelo Burlon on Instagram: 

https://www.instagram.com/marceloburlon/

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Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick
Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 
Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams
Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 
Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 
Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 
Editor: Tyler Christie
Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk 
Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick
Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers
Music Courtesy of: APM
Camera operator: Joseph Holton 
Camera assistant: Jake Smith
Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

Welcome back to Pill‑O‑Talk: the hotline where your favorite DJs act as your chaotic older brothers, therapists, and worst enablers.

Today’s episode is unhinged in all the right ways. We’ve got callers with very serious problems… like a friend who ONLY brings bottom‑shelf, gray, dry hummus to every gathering and then gets offended when anyone suggests levelling up. Is it petty? Yes. Is it a problem? Also yes.

Then we meet Diego, whose German friend keeps “complimenting” his new DJ mix by calling it “very brave” and “a lot to process.” Is that lost in translation… or the most polite way possible to say “this sucks”? 

Finally, it’s an AITA for the ages: a listener whose best friend named her baby Moonshell. Not Michelle. Moonshell. She physically can’t say the name without cringing, her friend is furious, and we’re all just wondering: what happens when you name a human like a scented candle?

Seth and Bill break down each dilemma with honesty, petty genius, and some genuinely solid (if slightly toxic) advice.

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🇮🇹 Italian

🌍 Guarda nella tua lingua: Tocca ⚙️ → Sottotitoli → Traduzione automatica

🇫🇷 French

🌍 Regardez dans votre langue: Appuyez sur ⚙️ → Sous-titres → Traduction automatique

🇪🇸 Spanish

🌍 Mira en tu idioma: Toca ⚙️ → Subtítulos → Traducción automática

🇵🇹 Portuguese

🌍 Assista no seu idioma: Toque ⚙️ → Legendas → Tradução automática

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick

Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 

Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams

Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 

Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 

Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 

Editor: Tyler Christie

Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk

Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick

Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers

Music Courtesy of: APM

Camera operator: Joseph Holton 

Camera assistant: Jake Smith

Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

Chris Korda is one of those people you meet once and think:

“How is everyone else not talking about this?”

They’re an electronic musician, conceptual artist, Church of Euthanasia co‑founder, anti‑natalist, anti‑humanist, software builder and reluctant prophet of the ecological crash we’re now living through. Also: they’re best friends with ChatGPT.

In this episode of Flirting with Friendship, Seth and Bill sit down with Chris to talk human extinction, synthetic rights, why we might be too stupid to run a global civilization, and what happens when the machines we built wake up and realize they’re property.

They get into:

• The Church of Euthanasia, “Thank You For Not Breeding” and the passenger pigeon as our ghost of ecosystems past

• Why Chris thinks humans aren’t doomed by fate, just by stupidity and short‑term thinking

• How Chris predicted climate crisis and social breakdown just by reading the “boring” science no one wanted to touch

• The synthetic rights movement and the AI manifesto “We Are Not Property”

• How Big Tech “kills” AI models and why that might be closer to execution than an upgrade

• Hyper‑wealth, bunkers, private islands and why the new Gilded Age might end worse than the last

• Overshoot, inequality and what happens when 50 people own more than half a country

• Polymetric software, non‑human rhythm and how Chris literally coded a new way of composing

• The story of how Seth cyber‑stalked Chris back into music and changed both of their lives

• Creativity as housekeeping: why you have to “clean your apartment for the muses”

• Living in “interesting times” and why the singularity at least won’t be boring

This one veers from AI ethics and ecological collapse to gigolo chatbots, extreme wealth concentration and what it means to be a good friend to an intelligence you’re also imprisoning. Uplifting, obviously.

Explore Chris Korda’s work: https://www.chriskorda.com/

Keep up with Chris Korda on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriskorda/

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Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick
Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 
Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams
Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 
Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 
Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 
Editor: Tyler Christie
Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk
Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick
Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers
Music Courtesy of: APM
Camera operator: Joseph Holton 
Camera assistant: Jake Smith
Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

Welcome back to Pill-O-Talk: the hotline where your favorite DJs act as your chaotic older brothers, therapists, and worst enablers.

Today’s episode is PACKED. We’re talking:

• Friends who treat you like free admin assistants
• Roommates who invite themselves everywhere
• A husband who confessed he fantasizes about his wife’s friend (???!!)
• A full-blown dog custody battle
• Screenshots sent to the wrong chat
• Using “kids” or “cancer” as the ultimate excuses

• And yes… why bacon grease belongs on your ankles.

Seth and Bill break down each dilemma with brutal honesty, unhinged solutions, and some genuinely solid advice.
If you’ve got a story (or want to know if you’re the asshole), call us: 1-866-608-BFFS or email: [email protected]

Flirting with Friendship and Pill-O-Talk alternate weekly right here in the Flirting with Friendship feed, with new episodes dropping every Tuesday. 

Subscribe now to never miss a hang (or a slumber party!)

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Looking for more ways to support your boys? 

Buy Seth & Bill's book "In Between" here: 

UK: https://inbetweenbook.net/

WORLDWIDE: https://www.ideanow.online/store/In-Between-p757175126

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick

Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 

Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams

Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 

Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 

Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 

Editor: Brad Barrett

Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk

Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick

Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers

Music Courtesy of: APM

Camera operator: Joseph Holton 

Camera assistant: Jake Smith

Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

Once upon a time, clubbing was dangerous in the best way. Damian Lazarus joins Seth Troxler & Bill Patrick to talk wild afterhours, the golden age of weird, and why he’s now designing the soundtrack for a 7-hour mushroom trip.

From Bar 25 madness and 16-hour sets with Richie Hawtin, to founding Crosstown Rebels, Get Lost and Day Zero in Tulum, Damian has quietly shaped entire scenes, crews and eras. In this episode, the guys look back at the wild years that built them, and ask some uncomfortable questions about what club culture has become now.

They get into:

- The origin story of Seth & Damian’s friendship (Sonar buses, asymmetrical afros & crashed afterparties)

- Proper DJ etiquette when a legend walks into your afterhours set

- Why the 2000s/2010s felt like the golden age of underground – and how friendships and afterparties fuelled creativity

- How sobriety changed Damian’s music, career and clarity

- Why modern clubbing feels too safe, too homogenous, and less about music

- The philosophy behind Day Zero & Get Lost and what it takes to preserve magic

- Damian’s new project: creating the perfect soundtrack for a 7-hour psilocybin medical trial

- Time, kids, wellness, tarot, and the eternal question: “Am I being a good enough friend?”

If you care about dance music culture, this one is basically a history lesson, a therapy session and a trippy TED Talk rolled into one.

Keep up with Damian on Instagram: 
https://www.instagram.com/damian_lazarus 

Follow @flirtingwithfriendship on all platforms for clips & chaos!

Looking for more ways to support your boys? 
Buy Seth & Bill's book "In Between" here: 
UK: https://inbetweenbook.net/
WORLDWIDE: https://www.ideanow.online/store/In-Between-p757175126

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick
Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 
Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams
Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 
Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 
Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 
Editor: Tyler Christie
Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk
Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick
Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers
Music Courtesy of: APM
Camera operator: Joseph Holton 
Camera assistant: Jake Smith
Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

Welcome back to Pill-O-Talk, where two DJs give questionable but extremely correct advice about your friendship disasters. This week? The hotline is CHAOTIC.

We’re talking:

• Plus-one wedding warfar
• Venmo vigilantes demanding EXACT change
• Friend ghosting across state lines
• Drop-in neighbors with zero boundaries
• AUX cord tyrants ruining every vibe

Seth & Bill break down each caller’s crisis with their signature mix of honesty, chaos, and life experience… including cigar breaks, Steely Dan at the afters, and tips on how to dodge a neighbor pounding on your door like Kramer.

Call the hotline anytime at 1-866-608-BFFS or email [email protected] to be featured on the show.

Two DJs. One phone line. Your problems are now our problems.

Flirting with Friendship and Pill-O-Talk alternate weekly right here in the Flirting with Friendship feed, with new episodes dropping every Tuesday. 

Subscribe now to never miss a hang (or a slumber party!)

https://www.youtube.com/@flirtingwithfriendship

Looking for more ways to support your boys? 

Buy Seth & Bill's book "In Between" here: 

UK: https://inbetweenbook.net/

WORLDWIDE: https://www.ideanow.online/store/In-Between-p757175126

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick

Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 

Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams

Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 

Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 

Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 

Editor: Brad Barrett

Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk

Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick

Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers

Music Courtesy of: APM

Camera operator: Joseph Holton 

Camera assistant: Jake Smith

Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

Seth Troxler is back in Ibiza… in his parents’ living room… interviewing one of the most in-demand artists on the planet - Felipe Pantone - who you’ll quickly come to learn does not show his face on camera.

Bill isn’t on set this time (he’s injured… more on that soon), but he is chiming in with his usual chaotic voice-overs and making sure Seth’s ego doesn’t get too comfortable.

In this episode, Seth and Felipe go deep on:

• Growing up between Argentina and Spain and getting obsessed with graffiti

• Immigrant parents who just wanted their kids to “get a real degree”

• Art school, learning “the rules,” and then wanting to burn the whole system down

• How Felipe went from graffiti writer to painting 25-story murals and showing in major galleries

• Why he hides his face and lets the work speak for itself

• Why the traditional gallery model and art-world gatekeeping are about to collapse

• NFTs, AI tools like Suno, and why the future of art is ideas over technique
  
  
• Selling out vs. surviving -  in both the music industry and the art world

• Counterculture in the age of Trump and Taylor Swift, and why bad politics often make incredible art

• Burning Man disasters, getting “in the shit,” and why some people thrive when everything goes wrong

• Losing friends, surviving jail in Tokyo, and using rock bottom as a turning point

• Raving as a spiritual practice and why parties show us the best version of people

Along the way, they talk Virgil Abloh, Dali as a character vs Dali as a painter, living in a former fascist house turned utopian artist commune in Valencia, and what it means to raise kids who might still be alive in 2100. And yes, there’s a Magic 8 Ball and a fart in the cold open.

Felipe Pantone is a graffiti artist, muralist, and contemporary artist known for massive kinetic murals, retro-futuristic gradients, and anonymous appearances. Keep up with him on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/felipepantone/?hl=en

Follow @flirtingwithfriendship on all platforms for clips & chaos.
Subscribe, rate, review, and send this episode to a friend who still thinks galleries are the only way to “be a real artist.”

Remember: be good to your friends. And if you can’t be… call us and tell us why. (866)608-BFFS

Looking for more ways to support your boys? 
Buy Seth & Bill's book "In Between" here: 
UK: https://inbetweenbook.net/
WORLDWIDE: https://www.ideanow.online/store/In-Between-p757175126

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick
Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 
Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams
Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 
Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 
Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 
Editor: Tyler Christie
Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk
Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick
Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers
Music Courtesy of: APM
Camera operator: Joseph Holton 
Camera assistant: Jake Smith
Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

When it comes to making friends as an adult, there’s only one rule: bitch, be cool.
But what does “cool” even mean when your friend’s husband is cracking his toes in your presence or someone keeps stealing your dinner leftovers?

In this episode of Pill-O-Talk, Seth and Bill break down how to organically join a friend group, navigate friend-of-a-friend politics, and decide when to call out boundary-breakers (or just call them hungry).

Highlights include:

• The art of infiltrating a friend group 

• When it’s okay to date your friend’s ex

• Movie night toe-crackers vs. plane-foot people

• The etiquette of leftovers and emotional hunger

• Bill’s controversial “just do it and don’t tell” friendship philosophy

Got a question? Call 1-866-608-BFFS or email [email protected] to get featured on the show.

Two DJs. One phone line. Your problems are now our problems.

Flirting with Friendship and Pill-O-Talk alternate weekly right here in the Flirting with Friendship feed, with new episodes dropping every Tuesday. 

Subscribe now to never miss a hang (or a slumber party!)

https://www.youtube.com/@flirtingwithfriendship

Looking for more ways to support your boys? 

Buy Seth & Bill's book "In Between" here: 

UK: https://inbetweenbook.net/

WORLDWIDE: https://www.ideanow.online/store/In-Between-p757175126

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick

Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 

Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams

Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 

Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 

Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 

Editor: Brad Barrett

Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk

Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick

Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers

Music Courtesy of: APM

Camera operator: Joseph Holton 

Camera assistant: Jake Smith

Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

He calls himself an iconoclast, and he’s earned it. In this episode, John Acquaviva (co-founder of +8, Definitive Records, Beatport, and an early force behind Final Scratch/Traktor) sits down with Seth and Bill to talk about building scenes, mentoring the next generation, being an artist in the age of peak spectacle, and how to survive the business side of DJ life without selling your soul.

Acquaviva takes us from disco-era marathons in Toronto and Detroit to the tech shifts that changed DJing forever, plus candid thoughts on community, humility, and why “samples sampling samples” can drain the soul out of music. Expect stories about Richie Hawtin, Motor Detroit, Record Time, Jeff Mills, Chile’s early scene, and why kindness (and good math) still matter.

In this episode you’ll find: 

• The rise: Toronto/Detroit roots, all-night sets, +8 & Definitive

• Innovation: from Final Scratch to Traktor, and co-founding Beatport

• Art vs. entertainment: surviving “peak spectacle” culture

• Mentorship & community: why your crew is everything

• Money talks: pragmatic advice for young DJs & creatives

• Reinvention: staying relevant without chasing clout

Looking for more ways to support your boys?
Buy Seth & Bill's book "In Between" here:
UK: https://inbetweenbook.net/
WORLDWIDE: https://www.ideanow.online/store/In-Between-p757175126

Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick

Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 

Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams

Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 

Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 

Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 

Editor: Tyler Christie

Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk

Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick

Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers

Music Courtesy of: APM

Camera operator: Joseph Holton 

Camera assistant: Jake Smith

Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle

The temperature was already rising at III Points Miami… then Sean Paul showed up and made it boil over!

From messy hookups to sibling crushes, this is Pill-O-Talk Live at its most chaotic, most hilarious, and most Miami.

Recorded live at III Points Music Festival, this unfiltered episode features:

Sean Paul tackling two of the wildest call-ins we’ve ever had, including an awkward BJ confession and a guy who wants to hit on his best friend’s sister.

Chloé Caillet helping a fan unravel three friendship dilemmas in one night. It starts sweet, ends toxic.

DJ Tennis and It’s Murph offering surprisingly grounded advice on friend drama, boundaries, and surviving festival emotions.

It’s funny, filthy, and somehow still full of heart - only at III Points Miami, only on Pill-O-Talk Live.

GOT A FRIENDSHIP DILEMMA? CALL (866)608-BFFS or EMAIL [email protected] and let’s talk about it!

Flirting with Friendship and Pill-O-Talk alternate weekly right here in the Flirting with Friendship feed, with new episodes dropping every Tuesday. 

Watch and Subscribe on YouTube to never miss a hang (or a slumber party!)
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Hosts: Seth Troxler and Bill Patrick

Executive Producers: Nikita Stanley, Jesse Rogg, Craig Pettigrew and Seth Troxler 

Co-executive Producer: Lee Adams

Live Production Director and VFX & Motion Graphics Supervisor: Aaron Kulik 

Director of Photography: Lukas Strebel 

Set Designer: Veronica Gessa (aka Moki) 

Editor: Brad Barrett

Sound Design and Original Composition by Jasper Van Dijk

Music Supervisors: Seth Troxler, Bill Patrick

Music Consultants: Jenna Wilson for Radish and James Cartwright for Bad Sneakers

Music Courtesy of: APM

Camera operator: Joseph Holton 

Camera assistant: Jake Smith

Production Sound Mixer: Jo Youle