Frank Bruni has been a prominent journalist for more than three decades, including more than twenty-five years at The New York Times, in roles as diverse as op-ed columnist, White House correspondent, Rome bureau chief, and chief restaurant critic. He is the author of four New York Times bestsellers. In July 2021, he became a full professor at Duke University, teaching in the school of public policy. He currently writes his popular weekly newsletter for the Times and produces additional essays as one of the newspaper’s Contributing Opinion Writers.

Frank and I discuss his latest columns about the recent election, what the Democrats must do going forward, and who the likely 2028 candidates might be.

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Produced by Andy Ostroy, Matty Rosenberg, and Jennifer Hammoud