Suzanne Nossel, author of Dare To Speak: Defending Free Speech For All , and President of PEN, on her organization's never-wavering, but not-always-easy, commitment to defend expression. In a conversation recorded almost a year ago, and aired here for the first time, Nossel discusses with Mike the current atmosphere around censoriousness and the conceptions of what free speech means, who it harms and how it should be managed.

Mike also talks about Kyle Rittenhouse's play to acquire the rifle that killed two people.

Plus, in the Spiel, A Kyiv pet pee-ev.

Produced by Joel Patterson

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