In this episode, host Hilary Sutcliffe explores . . . the way we think about ourselves from another angle. She talks with Jon Alexander, founder of the New Citizenship Project and author of the inspiring book Citizens: Why the Key to Fixing Everything is All of Us, one of McKinsey's top five recommended books of 2022 alongside those of Bill Gates, Francis Fukuyama, Adam Grant, and Henry Kissinger.

Alexander explores changes in the way we see ourselves, how we see one another, how the organizations and institutions that structure our society see us, and how we behave as a result. He also shows how the shift from people as subjects to consumers and now to citizens changes what we believe is possible. What are the implications for individuals and societies when we make the shift from being seen as passive consumers of products to empowered citizens?

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