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We’ve known him for over 20 years, but we forgot one big thing — before becoming a therapist, he was an engineer! He shares how he made the leap to follow his true calling, the lessons he’s learned along the way, and why he wishes he’d started sooner.

We also dig into the challenges couples face today, the importance of vulnerability in relationships, and insights from his wife Lindy, a child therapist, on what kids are struggling with right now.

It’s honest, eye-opening, and full of heart — one of those episodes that makes you think and makes you feel a little lighter after listening.

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