While we are busy making season ten of The Design of Business | The Business of Design, here's an episode from our archives that you might not have heard yet, with an introduction from your new co-hosts, Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune. Kevin's new book "Reimagining Design" is out later this month from MIT Press. The Design of Business | The Business of Design will return with new episodes this spring.

To hear more from our archive, find The Design of Business | The Business of Design on Apple podcasts, or your favorite podcast app!