Michael sits down with Gary Ginsberg, author of "First Friends: The Powerful, Unsung (And Unelected) People Who Shaped Our Presidents." Original air date 19 August 2021. The book was published on 6 July 2021.

Gary Ginsberg: "First Friends"

Reading for Independent Minds. Unlike many author interviews, if Michael didn't actually read the book, you won't hear about it.  If he read it, you'll hear it and you'll love it.  Insights into a wide range of topics, including many titles you've probably never heard of.  The perfect book is just one listen away.

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Reading for Independent Minds. Unlike many author interviews, if Michael didn't actually read the book, you won't hear about it. If he read it, you'll hear it and you'll love it. Insights into a wide range of topics, including many titles you've probably never heard of. The perfect book is just one listen away.

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