Hi everyone, today we're talking to Manuel Medina, CEO of Outreach.io, which is hands-down my favorite sales automation tool. He's got a really interesting outlook on building a business that's product-based rather than growth-based, and it seems to be working really well for him. He also talks candidly about what it's like to be a competitor in the increasingly crowded space of sales automation, and what he's learned from meeting his competition in flesh and blood, which is something we hardly ever hear about on the show.

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