This week I'm joined by my good friend Chenell Basilio, creator of Growth in Reverse and one of the most thorough newsletter analysts in the space. We spent over an hour diving deep into what's really working in email right now — from the death of newsletter hype to the opportunity hiding in recommendation networks. Chenell shared her framework of "insanely valuable content" (the one thing that matters more than any growth hack), and we got surprisingly honest about using AI to create short-form content from our long-form work.

We also tackled the big question: how do you grow an email list if you refuse to use social media? Turns out there are more options than you think — from public homework challenges to old-school guest posting making a comeback. Plus, I introduced a new segment called "Unhinged Questions" where we played kiss, marry, kill with email platforms.

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(00:00) Introduction

(02:21) Email maturity and the end of newsletter hype

(05:16) Why CPC advertising doesn't work for small creators

(06:08) Chenell's focus: turning recommendation subscribers into fans

(09:01) James Clear had 250K subscribers in 2012 (email inflation is real)

(11:20) "It's never been easier to reach someone, harder to sustain a relationship"

(12:33) "Insanely valuable content" — the one metric that matters

(15:28) The struggle with AI-generated content that performs well

(20:11) Short-form repurposing: employee vs. AI debate

(24:18) What's no longer working: recommendations (before the reframe)

(24:53) YouTube to email is massively underrated

(29:25) How to grow without social media (5 strategies)

(34:50) Public homework challenges (75 Hard, Tweet 100, Ship 30)

(43:31) Unhinged Questions: Kiss, Marry, Kill email platforms

(44:44) Operating on hunches without data

(45:31) "I hate that I'm not doing deep dives every week"

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Over the last 48-72 hours, I completely fell down the rabbit hole with a new AI tool called Clawdbot (rebranded TODAY to Moltbot). Instead of my planned episode about what's on my mind in January 2026, I decided to share my raw, unfiltered experience setting up this AI assistant that runs 24/7 and integrates with all my tools. This isn't your typical AI chat interface—it's an always-on assistant I can text through Telegram that proactively handles research, automates workflows, and maintains institutional memory of all my content.

I'll walk you through exactly how I discovered it, my security-first setup approach using a virtual private server, the learning curve (spoiler: it took me until 1:30 AM), and the specific ways I'm using it now. From automated guest research and fitness tracking to content ideation from my 300+ podcast transcripts, this tool is changing how I think about AI assistance. But I'm also wrestling with bigger questions about what this means for content creation, human creativity, and where we draw the line on AI-generated work.

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(00:00) Discovery Through Alex Finn's Video

(02:50) What Actually Is Clawdbot?

(05:46) Security-First Setup on Virtual Private Server

(09:48) Current Integrations: Notion, Oura, Fathom, and More

(14:15) Guest Research and Automated Workflows

(16:48) Writing Style Analysis Exercise

(19:13) Privacy Controls and Fathom Integration

(22:54) Security Threats and Ongoing Protection

(25:05) Future Plans: Show Notes and Automation

(28:38) Should You Use Clawdbot? Technical Requirements

(33:16) Costs, Setup Time, and What Can Go Wrong

(35:24) The Content Creation Philosophy Question

(40:02) Five Types of Content I Still Consume

(42:36) How Creators Need to Adapt to AI Reality

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Every month inside The Lab, I do what I call a monthly retro. It's short for retrospective. The idea is that, on a regular basis, you look back at what you have just done to learn from it, course-correct, and move forward.

So in my monthly retros, I look at the good things that happened, how I performed against my goals, the concerns I currently have, the changes I'm going to make moving forward, and my goals for next month.

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(00:00) Reflecting on Growth and Challenges

(05:27) Strong Year-End Revenue Insights

(07:37) Signature Product Lab Launch

(13:35) Life-Changing Chair Experience

(16:23) Christmas Joy and New Nanny

(19:32) Video Podcasts Drive Higher Engagement

(20:53) Podcast Reflections and Hosting Challenges

(26:13) Social Detox and Podcast Focus

(29:04) Refining Strategy and Delegation

(30:51) Prioritizing Quality Over Schedule

(34:02) Exciting Updates and Reflections

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Paul Millerd is the author of The Pathless Path, which has earned Paul $325,000 in royalties to date. In the process, Paul turned down a publishing offer from Penguin, one of the major publishers in the industry. Then, in December, Paul decided to double down and produce a new version of The Pathless Path, an ultra-premium hardcover book that is just beautiful.

So in this episode, we talk about that decision, the dark side of traditional publishing, the book deal Paul WOULD have taken, and when traditional publishing actually makes sense.

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(00:00) Intro

(05:53) Why He Self-Published

(08:01) Designing Books Beyond the Obvious

(13:13) Money Isn't A Reason to Write

(16:54) Book's Success and New Opportunities

(20:30) Rejecting Penguin

(22:00) Redefining Self-Publishing Potential

(25:00) Author Rights and Publishing Deals

(30:29) Reviving Unpublished Books

(31:33) Publishing Challenges and Opportunities

(37:11) Write a Book You Love

(39:38) Inside The Pathless Path Hardcover

(43:02) Overcoming Doubts, Achieving Success

(46:23) Inspired by Steel Brothers

(48:43) Direct Sales for Higher Margins

(53:04) Amazon Book Bundling Limitations

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A few weeks ago, I came across a post on X from a user named Yoni Smolyar. It said, "Posting a video on Instagram every day for 508 days in a row taught me that I never want to do that again." I realized that I had seen and followed Yoni on Instagram, where he has over 190,000 followers.

In the process, Yoni built an iPhone app called Brainrot, which had a $10,000 launch that he credits to his social media presence that he built during this daily Instagram posting challenge.

In this conversation, you'll hear Yoni's approach to Instagram, what worked for him, why he ultimately says he wouldn't do it again, and why he believes his ex-audience of 20,000 may be more valuable.

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(00:00) 508 Days of Daily Videos

(05:08) Building Habits: A Month In

(08:55) From Hesitant Posts to Viral Storytelling

(12:35) Documenting My Entrepreneurial Journey

(14:07) Speak Your Mind, Hit Record

(19:38) Entrepreneurial Journey: Transparency & Growth

(21:19) Brainrot: Tackling Phone Overuse

(24:42) Overcoming Cringe Through Posting

(30:37) Seasons of Steak and Sizzle

(32:12) Origins of Social Media Sharing

(34:58) Trapped by Public Perception

(38:48) Short Form Video's Negative Impact

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Today I am sharing an episode between Josh hall and myself. Josh hall is a good friend of mine, a business owner, and a creator here in Columbus, Ohio. His business is all about web design and he has a podcast called Web Design Business with Josh Hall, and I was a recent guest.

So this is a conversation with Josh as friends, talking about what I've learned over the last year. Plus as a new father, how that has impacted my work and why it's not all sunshine and rainbows, but definitely a choice I would make 10 times out of 10.

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(00:00) Jay Clouse: Creator Science Insights

(06:37) Streamlined Video Content Creation

(10:52) Balancing Work, Parenthood, and Time

(20:42) Entrepreneurship: Survival and Uncertainty

(25:37) Reflecting on Event Insights

(28:28) Business Books vs. Viral Posts

(34:53) Balancing Timeliness and Evergreen Content

(37:59) Struggling with Content Switching

(46:17) Balancing Priorities and Podcasts

(51:55) Balancing Priorities and Passions

(58:36) Low-Priced Offers Drive Sales

(01:01:00) Scaling Success with Live Ads

(01:06:32) Jay: Creator Science Highlights

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In 2020, Ankur Nagpal sold his course platform, Teachable, for around $250 million. But he knew that the sale would come with a giant tax bill. So Ankur became obsessed with the tax code, and he wanted to make it easier for everyone to legally operate within it. That led him to discover Solo 401(k)s. So he built a new company called Carry that helps you legally keep more of what you earn and invest it the way you want.

This podcast is for informational purposes, and not intended to be financial advice. Please consult a financial advisor about your specific situation.

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(01:32) Ankur's Crash Course in Tax Law

(08:18) Tax Loopholes and Bias

(11:02) Solo 401(k) Benefits Explained

(14:32) Solo 401(k) Contribution Guidelines

(17:46) S-Corp Tax Benefits Explained

(20:11) Maximizing QBI Deduction Strategies

(23:22) Tax Planning CPA vs Planners

(26:29) Solo 401(k) Advantages Explained

(31:49) Direct Indexing

(32:34) Tax Loss Harvesting Strategy

(36:34) Maximizing Retirement Contributions

(41:07) Solo 401(k) Tax Planning Deadlines

(44:06) Solo 401(k) Setup Guide

(46:12) Tax-Saving Strategy Money Markets

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Before I went on my current podcast guesting hiatus, I sat down with Howie Chan. I met Howie in person earlier this year at Matt McGarry’s Newsletter Marketing Summit. I thought he was fun, friendly, and thoughtful — just like he is in his podcast, Influence Anyone.

This podcast is all about applied influence psychology. Each episode, Howie sit downs with experts and practitioners to uncover the hidden psychology that helps you influence yourself (mastering your mindset, habits, and decisions) and get buy-in from others (your team, clients, and audiences.)

In this episode, we talk about my recent topic of study: trust. We break down what I’m learning about how trust works, what it looks like to build a trust-first creator business, and why some creators frankly don’t care about that.

We also talk about personal branding — Howie dug up a cringe video I made in 2012 — and what I’d do if I were starting over in 2026.

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(00:00) Trust, Branding, and Starting Over

(05:39) Sentiment and Expectations Scatterplot

(12:01) Declining Trust in Modern Society

(19:49) Key Traits of Trustworthiness

(24:08) Building Trust Through Consistency

(27:37) Trust Over Manipulation

(35:18) Think Big, Stay Persistent

(40:58) Understand Your Audience Through Interviews

(43:37) Understanding Buyer Hesitation

(51:06) Pushing for Growth and Goals

(55:30) Building Trust to Expand Business

(01:00:05) Creating Your Own Path

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Meet Tommy. Tommy has a YouTube channel dedicated to helping Americans retire in France.

Tommy’s done an incredible job attracting nearly 30,000 subscribers and 2 million views on his channel, but he needed help dialing in his product offer.

Tommy is a member of The Lab, my invitation-only membership community for 6-and-7-figure creators. He scheduled a coaching call with me to work out how he can take his growing audience and design his product offers to both serve that audience and bring in serious revenue.

This is that coaching call, where we discuss how his membership, cohort-based courses, and retreats to France all work together.

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(00:00) Intro to American to France

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Today, I’m launching my first-ever Signature Product Bootcamp: A four-week, live course for developing YOUR signature product (that you can sell with confidence for years).

Program Dates: December 4, 2025 — December 29, 2025

Registration closes Dec. 1 at 11:59pm PT.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Creator Science: Signature Boot Camp

06:13 Building Mindshare Through Focus

08:25 Product Clarity Bootcamp

13:01 Building Your Signature Offer

14:07 Bootcamp: Plan, Not Build

17:20 Signature Product Bootcamp Info

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