Zack Snyder first pitched the idea Seven Samurai in Space when he was in college. In 2012, he pitched it to Kathleen Kennedy as his way of “fixing” Star Wars. In 2023, Rebel Moon: Part One - A Child of Fire was released on Netflix.

This is the story of how one idea becomes ten hours worth of movie.

CONTENT WARNING: This episode discusses suicide at 16:10. There is also discussion of fictional depictions of sexual assault and sexual violence at 6:55 - 7:04, 15:08 - 15:27, 28:58 - 29:06, 32:05 - 33:45, 37:25 - 38:23

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CLIPS USED: 

Rebel Moon Part One - A Child of Fire (dir. Zack Snyder, 2023)

Rebel Moon: Part One - A Child of Fire with Zack Snyder and Louis Leterrier (The Director’s Cut Podcast Ep. 464)

Zack Snyder 😜 Life is Short with Justin Long

The Joe Rogan Experience 2114 - Zack Snyder

Zack Snyder on How Rebel Moon Is a Rebellion 30 Years in the Making (Tudum)

MUSIC:

“Crypto”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Virtutes Instrumenti”, “Oppressive Gloom”, “Protofunk”, “Morgana Rides”, “Rollin at 5”, “Screen Saver”, “Funkorama”, “Olde Timey”, “As I Figure”, “Tenebrous Brothers Carnival - Intermission”, “Spy Glass”, “Loopster”, “Constancy Part 3”, “Lithium”, “Enter The Maze”, “Chill Wave”, “Simplex”, “Floating Cities”, “Leaving Home”, “The Chamber”, “Heart of Nowhere”, “Ever Mindful”, “Lost Time”, “Deep Haze” & “Magic Forest”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“Suspended Animation” & "Space Race”, by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

At World’s End was once the most expensive movie ever made. But at what cost?

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CLIPS USED:

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Walt Disney Studios)

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End Deleted Scenes

Enter the Maelstrom

Anatomy of a Maelstom

Rango, with Director Gore Verbinski (DP 30)

GORE VERBINSKI Backstage at Field Trip to the Movies (Santa Barbara Middle School Teen Press)

Empire Podcast 54: Danny Boyle, Jonathon Pryce

Hans Zimmer: Making of Pirates of the Caribbean Scores

Gore Verbinski on Steven Spielberg, Donald Trump and A Cure For Wellness (Joe.ie)

MUSIC:

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End Score Excerpts:

- The Green Flash

 - One Day

 - Trying to Get Lost

 - Souls At Sea

 - At Davy Jones’ Command

 - Finale (William Tell Overture) 

 - Parlay

- Escape / Norrington Dies

- Hoist the Colours Declaration

- The Wedding

- Who’s Captain/Below Deck

"Leaving Home", "Divertissement", "Industrial Cinematic", "Halls of the Undead", "Scissors", "Echoes of Time v2", "Showdown", "Morgana Rides", "Simplex", "Monkeys Spinning Monkeys", "Magic Forest", "Oppressive Gloom", "Metaphysik", "Thinking Music", "Screen Saver", "Vanishing", "Unanswered Questions", "I Can Feel It Coming", The Snow Queen", The Chamber", "Deep Haze", "Danse Macabre", "Killers", "Bleeping Demo", "Bicycle", "Hiding Your Reality", "Enter The Maze", "Despair and Triumph", "Decline", "Floating Cities" & “Black Vortex”,

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“The Buccaneer’s Haul” and “Space Race” by Shane Ivers - 

Almost everything that could go wrong went wrong on Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. I still really like it.

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CLIPS USED:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (Walt Disney Studios)

Writers Audio Commentaries for Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

According to Plan: The Harrowing And True Story of Dead Man's Chest

Charting The Return

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest Deleted Scenes

A Reeltime Conversation with Film Editor Craig Wood

Team Deakins Episode 88 - John Knoll

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End Masters of Design: Crash McCreary -  The Cursed Crew

Bill Nighy Breaks Down His Career, from 'Harry Potter' to 'Pirates of the Caribbean’ (Vanity Fair)

Gore Verbinski Interview (Reba Merill)

MUSIC:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest Score Excerpts:

 - Jack Sparrow

 - Davy Jones

 - The Wedding / Beckett's Arrival

 - Abandon Ship

 - Row to Tia Dalma's

 - Davy Jones Plays His Organ

 - Jack Sparrow's Theme (Demo) 

“Black Vortex”, “Bleeping Demo”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “Crypto”, “Oppressive Gloom”, “The Chamber”, “Kumasi Grove”, “Bossa Antigua”, “Thinking Music”, “Floating Cities”, “Firesong” “Morgana Rides”, “Lost Frontier”, “Tenebrous Brothers Carnival - Intermission”, “Nonstop”, “Monkeys Spinning Monkeys”, “Danse Macabre”, “ZigZag”, “Stormfront”, “I Can Feel It Coming”, “Leaving Home”, “Screen Saver”, “Showdown”, “Magic Forest” & “Deep Haze”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“The Buccaneer’s Haul” and “Synapse” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl has gotta be the only good film to come out of IP mining.

I cannot recommend Dan Golding’s video essay A Theory of Film Music enough, and also highly recommend his book Star Wars After Lucas (he also has a great talk on Nostalgia Piano, but I think that one might have just been a conference exclusive)

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CLIPS USED:

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (Walt Disney Studios)

Audio Commentaries for Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl 

 - Writers Commentary

 - Gore Verbinski and Johnny Depp

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl — The Making Of An Epic At Sea

Dan Golding: A Theory of Film Music

All Access: Klaus Badelt (Film.Music.Media)

Hans Zimmer: Making of Pirates of Caribbean Soundtracks

Becoming Captain Jack

Composer Ramin Djawadi on working with Hans Zimmer and Klaus Badelt (TelevisionAcademy.com Interviews)

Interviewing Stuart Beattie, screenwriter of Pirates of the Caribbean & Collateral (Syd Field - The Visual Art of Storytelling)

Screenwriter Jay Wolpert on creating tension in action scripts & game shows (WGA West)

MUSIC:

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl Score Excerpts:

Hans Zimmer Score Excerpts:

“Waltz: Tchaikovsky Op. 40”, “Adventures in Adventureland”, “Captain Scurvy”, “Division”, “In The Hall Of The Mountain King”, “Crossing the Chasm”, “Cut Trance”, “Eternal Terminal”, “Expeditionary”, “In The Path of The Goblin King”, In The Path of The Goblin King v2” “Dirt Rhodes”, “Loopster”, “Peaceful Desolation”, “Crypto”, “Rising”, “Vibing Over Venus”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Kusami Groove Flugelhorn”, “Celtic Impulse”, “Unanswered Questions”, “Danse Macbre”, “Gloom Horizon”, “Screen Saver”, “Thinking Music”, “Enter The Maze”, “Morgana Rides”, “Odyssey”, “Lost Frontier”, “Ever Mindful” & “Deep Haze”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“The Buccaneer’s Haul” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Nottingham was a high concept spec script that reimagined the Robin Hood legend from the perspective of the Sheriff of Nottingham that asked whether we should follow the law, or our heroes. Robin Hood is a movie where Robin Hood does not rob from the rich or give to the poor, but his dad did write the Magna Carta.

This is the story of how Nottingham became Robin Hood.

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CLIPS USED: 

Rise and Rise Again: Making Ridley Scott’s Robin Hood

PODDYWOOD: Cyrus Voris & Ethan Reiff (Part 3)

RUSSELL CROWE Interview for Robin Hood (BlackTree TV)

Russell Crowe Talks Robin Hood (IGN)

Russell Crowe Reunited With His ‘Gladiator’ Horse (The Late Show)

Napoleon (dir. Ridley Scott, 2023)

Robin Hood (dir. Ridley Scott, 2010)

The Castle (dir. Rob Sitch, 1997)

Democracy Manifest 

MUSIC:

“Loopster”, “The Descent”, “Thinking Music”, “Five Armies”, “Oppressive Gloom”, “Virtutes Instrumenti”, “Minstrel Guild”, “Stormfront”, “Eternal Terminal”, “Night Vigil”, “Unanswered Questions”, “Volatile Reaction”, “Tenebrous Brothers Carnival - Intermission”, “Peaceful Desolation”, “Midnight Tale”, “Odyssey”, “Protofunk”, “Raw”, “Morgana Rides”, “The Path of the Goblin King”, “Floating Cities”, “Hiding Your Reality”, “Black Vortex”, “Minima”, “Decline”, “Clean Soul”, “Anguish” & “Magic Forest”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“Suspended Animation”, "Space Race", "Bossy Boots", "Synapse" & "Through the Woods" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

This is not the first podcast about Don’t Worry Darling.

But this is one of the few that discusses the film, and its transformation from a Black Mirror-esque spec script written by Dick Van Dyke’s grandsons into a beautiful but poorly paced film with a confusing message. And somehow, between those two, there was a solid, compelling script. But it was paired with a directorial intention that was fundamentally opposed to the story, and the film began to unravel from there.

CONTENT WARNING: this episode involves discussion of sexual assault, sexual violence, suicide and misogyny.

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CLIPS:

Don’t Worry Darling (New Line Cinema, 2022)

The Directors Cut Podcast: Don’t Worry Darling with Olivia Wilde and Reed Morano 

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

Script to Screen: Booksmart with Katie Silberman (screenwriter)

Olivia Wilde & Katie Silberman: Don’t Worry Darling Q&A With Pete Hammond

MUSIC:

"Slow Burn", "Crinoline Dreams", "The Dread", "In Your Arms", "Thinking Music", "Echoes of Time V2", "Volatile Reaction", "Metaphysik", "Bossa Antigua", "Bleeping Demo", "Screen Saver", "Crypto", "Night In Venice", "Samba Isobel", "Unseen Horrors", "Lobby Time", "Shadowlands 1: Horizon", "Penumbra", "Leaving Home", "Floating Cities", "Expeditionary", "On The Cool Side", "Walking Along", "Clean Soul", "Vibing Over Venus", "This House", "Sunset Over Glengorm", "Black Vortex", & "Scissors"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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"Suspended Animation" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

In October 2008, Chris Sanders was asked to take over a troublesome film with a March 2010 release date. He immediately called his old co-director Dean Deblois. Somehow, despite everything we've ever discussed on this podcast, the film they made is good.

How To Train Your Dragon is the opposite of almost every film we've covered before - an instant classic that pushed the animation form and made bold calls on a tight deadline, and actually stuck the landing. But to understand how it pulled that off, we need to cover early Dreamworks, renaissance Disney, and a little picture book called The Big Bear Aircraft Company.

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CLIPS:

The Story Room: The Making of Lilo and Stitch

The Making of How To Train Your Dragon: Going Into The Story

Chris Sanders - Director of How to Train Your Dragon + Lilo & Stitch Cartoons!!! (Directing Animation Podcast #39)

Animation Part 3 with Dean Deblois (Team Deakins Podcast Episode 12)

All Star - Smashmouth

Forbidden Friendship - John Powell (How To Train Your Dragon)

Coming Back Around - John Powell (How To Train Your Dragon)

Fairytale - Harry Gregson-Williams and John Powell (Shrek)

Short Hair - Jerry Goldsmith (Mulan)

Your Father Would Be Proud - Michael Giacchino (Rogue One)

A Place in The Sky - Hans Zimmer (The Creator)

MUSIC:

"Bicycle", "Adventures in Adventureland", "Hard Boiled", "Waltz - Tschikovsky Op. 40", "Chill Wave", "Loopster", "Cherry Blossom", "Whimsey Groove", "Odyssey", "Quirky Dog", "Screen Saver", "Crypto", "Nonstop", "Ascending The Vale", "Enter The Maze", "Tenebrous Bros Carnival - Intermission", "Energizing", "Divertissement", "Leaving Home", "Hall of the Mountain King", "Oppressive Gloom", "Magic Scout - Farmhouse", "Monkeys Spinning Monkeys", "Prelude & Action", "Concentration", "Ever Mindful" & "Tempting Secrets"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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"Suspended Animation" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Seven years after Rogue One, Gareth Edwards is back with his new film The Creator, an original science fiction blockbuster about robots, AI and true love. The film has been surrounded by breathless reporting of its $86 million budget, the $4000 camera it was shot on and the future of blockbuster filmmaking - but, like most film reporting, the truth is far more complicated than the headlines. And it's oddly fitting for a film about AI to have its human artists so quickly erased.

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CLIPS:

'Rogue One' Director Gareth Edwards Talks Making 'The Creator' On His Own Terms (Cinemablend)

Gareth Edwards Discusses Shooting The Creator on Sony FX3 (San Diego Comic-Con 2023)

The Creator: Gareth's Vision (20th Century Studios)

Glass Onion

Monsters

A Place in The Sky - Hans Zimmer (The Creator)

Cornfield Chase - Hans Zimmer (Interstellar)

MUSIC:

"Ever Mindful", "Lost Froniter", "Hiding Your Reality", "Bleeping Demo", "Screensaver", "Loopster", "On The Cool Side", "Decisions", "Bicycle", "Beauty Flow", "Crypto" & "New Direction"

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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"Suspended Animation" by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

Dr Horrible’s Sing-along Blog was born from the 2007 Writers Strike as a bold new way to take power back from the studios. Or at least, that’s one version of the story. Another involves a long-gestating podcast project. Yet another involves Jeff Bezos.

A 42 Minute webseries that apparently earned Joss Whedon more money than The Avengers, Dr Horrible was released almost six months after the Writers Strike but is indelibly tied to it. But was it the first of many, or lightning in a bottle?

CONTENT WARNING: Joss Whedon has been accused of abuse, harassment, racism, bullying and gaslighting, by a number of former co-workers and his ex-wife. He denies all suggestions of misconduct.

CLIPS:

Dr Horrible’s Sing-along Blog

The Making of Dr Horrible's Sing-along Blog

Commentary! The Musical

Dr Horrible’s Sing-along Blog Panel - Paleyfest 2009

Dr Horrible’s Sing-along Blog Reunion Panel - SDCC 2018

Kath and Kim (2008) (the bad one)

TV writer David Simon weighs in on the Writers Guild of America strike - NPR’s All Things Considered (19 May 2023)

MUSIC:

“C-Funk”, “Enter The Party”, “Deep Haze”, “Industrious Ferret”, “Fuzzball Parade”, “Odyssey”, “Monkeys Spinning Monkeys”, “Crypto”, “Tech Live”, “Crossing the Divide”, “Study and Relax”, “Thinking Music”, “Cut Trance”, “Walking Along”, “Leaving Home”, “Loopster”, “Floating Cities”, “Bleeping Demo”, “Groove Grove”, “On The Cool Side”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“Bossy Boots” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com

The South Park episode Canada on Strike first aired in April 2008 - a “biting” “satire” released well after the Writers Strike had left the news cycle, and one of many media pieces that helped cement the legend that the entire strike had been about The Internet. But one of the many issues that the WGA had brought to the table was the very reason that the South Park team were so annoyed with the Guild in the first place - while the Guild were on strike, South Park and most of the animation industry were still working. Because animation writers are not covered by the Writers Guild.

The WGA wanted jurisdiction over animation in their next contract. But that was an even harder ask than Reality TV, since animation writing was already covered by The Animation Guild, or IATSE Local 839.

CLIPS:

Six Days to Air (Comedy Central)

Canada On Strike (South Park Season 12 Episode 4)

Chris Sanders - Director of How to Train Your Dragon + Lilo & Stitch Cartoons!!! (Directing Animation Podcast #39)

WSC Show #109 - Interview With Patric Verrone (Part 1)

Tina Fey Monologue (Saturday Night Live, 24th February 2008)

WGA Calls for Vote To End Writers Strike (Writers Guild of America)

WGA Calls for Vote To End Writers Strike - Q&A (Writers Guild of America)

Why I’m Striking - Patric Verrone (Deadline)

MUSIC:

“Fork & Spoon”, “C-Funk”, “Divertissement”, “Deadly Roulette”, “Modern, Jazz Samba”, “Fuzzball Parade”, “Bicycle”, “Expeditionary”, “Finding Movement”, “On The Cool Side”, “Groove Grove”, “Floating Cities”, “Industrial Cinematic”, “Hard Boiled”, “Leaving Home”, “Lost Frontier”, “On The Ground”, “Odyssey”, “Bossa Antigua”, “Crossing The Divide”

Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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“Bossy Boots” & “Synapse” by Shane Ivers - https://www.silvermansound.com